what do you call it when...

[turbodig]

I would try some of the mickey thompson drag radials, or BFG is coming out with a new line to compete with MT very soon. BFG has waited to release the new line b/c until recently there was no competition for them.

The suspension tuning is going take some time espeically gaining from where you are at. If you drop the bars, it may want to pick up the front end.. Your 60fts are pretty impressive, i think you just need more power.

I'd agree with Mike on the Mickeys... a few local Buick guys have been
running 'em, and they pretty consistently pick up .2 on their 60-fts over
the BFGs. Granted, it's a bit less power than you're making, but they
seem to be a great tire. They don't seem to need much more than a
cleanoff burn to get 'em to stick, either.

RWD guys have gone 9's on the 30x9.5 variety. Maybe like a 325-50R15
in the back, and the 275-50R15 in the front?

FWIW...

Dig

 

[KGB Pilot125]

GENERAL COMMENTS:
Robert has a website at http://www.syclone.org/ <for reference>
and under the gallery section, stuff for 2004, 040313-2.jpg
shows a bit of his supension mods. Cant tell if slicks were used
recently.

Maybe Ed has outgrown his suspension/Caltrac setup, and
would benefit from coilovers and 4-link set up (plus weight reduction),
alto the 60 ft times look good.

Are there drag racing radials, or slicks, that require less
pre-heating <via burnouts> than others <for awd vehicles>.
The MT`s seem to require a moderate degree of heating
(too much, and a glaze; too little and less sticking)

If the wheel turns on rim, is there danger of valve-stem cutting?

Seems like there is "more" potential when his traction problem
is solved, and maybe Matt, Robert, Mike, Josh, or others could
help suggest ideas.

wish ya the best Ed,

i wish i had more knowledge of this stuff but i too am learning, now that my truck is up and running we are going to start the susp work, I wish i had ed's problem of trying to get into 1.5 or below 60 foot but right now mine is getting the truck to go straight. it goes somewhat straight some of the time. alot of it is the front springs are too compressed, too much travel. and lots o wheel spin. also the mono-link isnt the best setup from what i have heard.

I think that the first thing ed should try is beadlocks, bviosly the tire is hooking really well, also when they break down the tire and mount it back up it is very important to use the proper lube. as tire lbe dries it should become sticky. i remember a bunch of shifter kart guys were breaking down and mounting tires using wd-40. and they couldnt figure out why they were spinning the tres on the rims. we never had that problem and it was because of the proper lube.

boy i said lube a bunch of times.

 

[ed hess]

I would try some of the mickey thompson drag radials, or BFG is coming out with a new line to compete with MT very soon. BFG has waited to release the new line b/c until recently there was no competition for them.

The suspension tuning is going take some time espeically gaining from where you are at. If you drop the bars, it may want to pick up the front end.. Your 60fts are pretty impressive, i think you just need more power.

I'd agree with Mike on the Mickeys... a few local Buick guys have been
running 'em, and they pretty consistently pick up .2 on their 60-fts over
the BFGs. Granted, it's a bit less power than you're making, but they
seem to be a great tire. They don't seem to need much more than a
cleanoff burn to get 'em to stick, either.

RWD guys have gone 9's on the 30x9.5 variety. Maybe like a 325-50R15
in the back, and the 275-50R15 in the front?

FWIW...

Dig

dig are you referring to the mt et drag radial i.e no tube rq'd tire?

 

[ed hess]

josh

we were consistantly in the 1.50 's before the cam change. now we just need to dial it back in again.

i just hate the fact that dialing it in seems to allways require taking something out of it to go faster. same as the pros having to limit how much they can leave with.

ed

 

[KGB Pilot125]

well if it were my truck i would put in the beadlocks and go back to the track before the turbo change. jsut one change at a time.

 

[ed hess]

is this the mt tire you all are saying to try:

3793R

ed

 

[ttypewe4jim]

Mickey Thompson® ET Street® Radial
Polyester Ply, Steel Belted Radial, Black, Tubeless

SOFT DRAG TIRE COMPOUND FOR SUPERIOR TRACTION ON THE DRAG STRIP
D.O.T. APPROVED, STREET LEGAL
LOW VOID DIRECTIONAL TREAD PATTERN ELIMINATES FEATHERING
SPECIAL SIDEWALL CONSTRUCTION FOR QUICK LAUNCHES (strait off of mickey thompson's site)

if it was me i would just try different tires and make sure that they are either screwed or beedlocked(sp) ALSO ever think about coating them in vht before doing ur dry hop like you do?

 

[ed hess]

Mickey Thompson® ET Street® Radial
Polyester Ply, Steel Belted Radial, Black, Tubeless

SOFT DRAG TIRE COMPOUND FOR SUPERIOR TRACTION ON THE DRAG STRIP
D.O.T. APPROVED, STREET LEGAL
LOW VOID DIRECTIONAL TREAD PATTERN ELIMINATES FEATHERING
SPECIAL SIDEWALL CONSTRUCTION FOR QUICK LAUNCHES (strait off of mickey thompson's site)

if it was me i would just try different tires and make sure that they are either screwed or beedlocked(sp) ALSO ever think about coating them in vht before doing ur dry hop like you do?

interesting idea.... wonder if they sell vht in an aerosol i can spray on em in the staging lanes or pits.... then again wouldnt they be convered in all kinds of crud by the time you get to the burn out box.

wonder if i can sell some used green dots to anyone here on the board. hey only slightly used but highly abused. lol
ed

 

[ghettosled]

people are going 8.50s on the MT 275s 2wd, and now 7.80s on the 295s. I would try the 255 MT's and beadlock some lightweight wheels.. Least amount of rotational mass, and i think you will see impressive results. And yes, a bigger more efficient turbo!

and Josh, 36 deg of timing? I hope you have some type of boost timing retard

 

[KGB Pilot125]

and Josh, 36 deg of timing? I hope you have some type of boost timing retard

NOPE we have one and tried it on the dyno set up to pull 1:1 so 12 total and it dropped close to 300 hp. so we left it alone.

 

[ghettosled]

Little confused here... 36 deg of initial timing, then @ 12psi with a 1:1 retard would subtract 12 degrees of timing and leave you with 24 degrees?

36 degrees of timing under boost is insane. All i can say is do something before you turn the boost up more. what type of gas are you running?

 

[ed hess]

mike

or anyone, know what lightweight wheel that has proper offsets that fit a sy.

i dont give a hoot on the style, bling this or bling that its all the same to me as far as wheels go. even a part number. I have never seen much posted here about lightweight wheels for these.

guess what i am saying is whats the cheapest wheel to get the job done?

ed

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

mike

or anyone, know what lightweight wheel that has proper offsets that fit a sy.

i dont give a hoot on the style, bling this or bling that its all the same to me as far as wheels go. even a part number. I have never seen much posted here about lightweight wheels for these.

guess what i am saying is whats the cheapest wheel to get the job done?

ed

either black steelies for the cheap option.. custom offset, $60 a wheel, I do believe american racing carries them (not sure actually how light they are though)

or the big $ is in HRE or FISKE wheels, they are lightweight, and amazing to look at, but cost like $3000 a set

 

[KGB Pilot125]

Little confused here... 36 deg of initial timing, then @ 12psi with a 1:1 retard would subtract 12 degrees of timing and leave you with 24 degrees?

36 degrees of timing under boost is insane. All i can say is do something before you turn the boost up more. what type of gas are you running?

it has a msd box that pulls timing per boost. we set it up fo the 1:1
1 degree for every pound of boost. it ran horrible we are running c16. it seems to go against everything that i have ever read about boost and timing but i guess with a nice set of heads you can rut a lot of timing. or another thought that i had is the balacer has slipped and its off. i need to set it top dead center and check it. i plan on doing that this week when i replace the timing cover seal. also i need to learn how to set valve lash

 

[THEMADTYPH00N]

mike

or anyone, know what lightweight wheel that has proper offsets that fit a sy.

i dont give a hoot on the style, bling this or bling that its all the same to me as far as wheels go. even a part number. I have never seen much posted here about lightweight wheels for these.

guess what i am saying is whats the cheapest wheel to get the job done?

ed

I believe Mark Larson ran Draglites with Hooser quicktimes on all four corners at the 03 Nats. Might wanna get in touch with him.

 

[Boosted]

Weld will make most anything you want, and I know they make their superlite draglite, that fit a 4wd s10 blazer, and the back is closer to a stock offset.
You have access to weld through one of your (cough cough) suppliers.\

Hell, I have a set of 3 of the weld drag lites for the 4wd blazers, that I would let go cheap if interested.
PM me for details.

 

[ghettosled]

Rob S. in florida had some weld prostars mounted on his sy way back in ~95 ish.. They looked nice.

Josh, I have never tried running 36 deg of timing even with 12psi, but i can tell you that as you increase the boost to more efficient levels you better seriously consider your timing situation b/c 118 octane wont do a thing to keep it together..

 

[KGB Pilot125]

Rob S. in florida had some weld prostars mounted on his sy way back in ~95 ish.. They looked nice.

Josh, I have never tried running 36 deg of timing even with 12psi, but i can tell you that as you increase the boost to more efficient levels you better seriously consider your timing situation b/c 118 octane wont do a thing to keep it together..

i think that when its time to tune the fuel injection the truck is taking a road trip to RPM. hows that sound.

 

[TurboManiacal]

Heh...look at that...


Ed makes a post about tires slipping on the rims and Josh ends up sealing a deal to drop off a TTV8 with RPM for tuning.

Not bitching...I'm just amused at how the lounge works sometimes. :lol:

 

[ed hess]

Rob S. in florida had some weld prostars mounted on his sy way back in ~95 ish.. They looked nice.

Josh, I have never tried running 36 deg of timing even with 12psi, but i can tell you that as you increase the boost to more efficient levels you better seriously consider your timing situation b/c 118 octane wont do a thing to keep it together..

i think that when its time to tune the fuel injection the truck is taking a road trip to RPM. hows that sound.

josh

not sure as i havent followed what your doing but is that truck dual turbo?
6 or 8?

send me a pic or 2 under the hood.

we have been talking about dual turbo here for next motor.

ed