BW4472 32 input shafts. All slots filled.

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
I'm considering making these a permanent part of the syty 4L80e upgrade kit. How do you guys feel about this that bought this shaft? Just trying to get some feedback before I make a major investment.
 
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George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

So far

Kelly
Nolan
Big Dave
Mr E'nama
Lil Quick
 
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George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

I may have to do just 10 of these. The guys that were really wanting these just kinda "disappeared" when the project came to fruition. Imagine that. Machinist said the price would remain the same but I would have to agree to do more down the road at a higher price.
So half of these are gone.
5 left.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

George Blake said:
So far

Kelly
Nolan
Big Dave
Mr E'nama
Lil Quick

Update.
Kelly
Nolan (paid)
Big Dave
Mr E'nama
Lil QIK (sorry
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Rodger
Mr. Stevenson (paid)
Mr. Hillis
Aaron Timm
Mr Dearborn

Now just to let you guys know, these will be done in 6-8 weeks. I've put 15% down on my own. So you've got some time. But if they get done sooner, I'll need the money quicker. What I'll also do is update as folks pay as well.
 
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Big Dave

New member
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

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George,

I called the number on your signature and it went to a voicemail system and asked for the number again. It said that number is invalid.

Is there a new number?

I will give you a new credit card number over the phone. I PM'd you my new phone number the other day with questions.

Thanks,
Dave
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

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I've told a couple people about it. My voicemail is fubar
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It is gonna take a couple weeks to get it fixed if I keep the same number
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denny

Active member
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

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I will also take one, my tranny just took a dump.
Please send me your paypal info.

Thanks
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Kelly
Nolan (paid)
Big Dave
Mr E'nama
Lil QIK (sorry:oops:) (paid)
Rodger
Mr. Stevenson (paid)
Mr. Hillis
Aaron Timm
Mr Dearborn
Denny

That's 11. I'll go ahead and do 15.
 

rodent

Member
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Perfect timing! I need one! Count me in on this.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Kelly
Nolan (paid)
Big Dave
Mr E'nama
Lil QIK (sorry:eek:ops
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(paid)
Rodger
Mr. Stevenson
Mr. Hillis
Aaron Timm
Mr Dearborn
Denny (Paid)


That's 11. I'll go ahead and do 15.
 
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George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

I went by the shop today. Machines have been reserved for us (time period) and materials have been ordered. I'll try to get some pics during machining. VERY clean place. Not your typical machine shop.
 

rodent

Member
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Sorry I'm taking my time getting the money to you but I want to make sure this will strong enough behind a well built turbo V8 (similar specs to Nelson Racing Engines).

After looking at the 4422 input shaft, I'm a little concerned with having enough metal around the 32 spline shaft. When you measure the what the new bore size will be, thats about .100" less in the wall thickness. Its thin to begin with and with the new size it needs to be to fit a 32 spline, it has me worried.

wall thickness before: .282"
wall thickness after: .182"
35% less wall thickness

I'm also wondering if they offered an option for 4340 since thats stronger than 9310? I know 300m material might be out of the question due to price.

How much HP will these 9310 shafts support and is there any guarantee if I happen to break one? With a super built 4L80 and a 4472 thats been Cryo-treated, what will mostly likely break? (excluding propshafts, axles, etc)

Sorry for the all the questions and conerns but I just want to make sure this newly designed shaft will support the HP I'm shooting for.
 

George Blake

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Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Actually your dimensions are off a little bit. The design is different and the material was changed from 9310. I'm not gonna tell everything I did. When you race, you break stuff. Part of the game. But your concern is legitimate for the stock material or 8620. What we can do is build a bigger margin for failure. It may still fail, but you will be able to make much more power before it does. See what I'm getting at?
Just to let you know, 9310 vs 4340. 9310 has some VERY good properties. 4340 has some very good properties. But you don't want a material too hard or too flexible. I've put some time into this and I'm not telling what's all involved. If you want in on it, get in. If you want to watch everyone else do it, that's ok too. You don't have to get one. There's so much interest at this point that 15 units are gonna be made regardless.
If you want to reassure yourself, though, measure a 700r4 yoke. This design is a tad thicker than that.
I don't mean for any of this to sound nasty. Our problem we are facing is the reality that there are only so many of us. We don't have hondas. Billions of these won't be made. There's no call for it. But price is a factor also. I could make them out of an exotic british alloy. Cost would be $1500 per unit. Units sold, zero. There was some compromise but the end result will be very positive. Rodent, if you want to wait, feel free to do so. I will have more made in the future, they will just cost more due to less units being made at once. I will make every attempt to have them available.

There is NEVER a garantee on racing parts. I'm surprised you'd even ask such a thing. This is a step up. ANYTHING CAN BE BROKEN. If a guy is making 1800 foot pounds of torque and takes off with 0 boost, he may never break one. If the same guy takes off with 15 pounds of boost, he may leave pieces all over the place. Go see how much it costs to have ONE made. You do NOT have to buy any of these. I am offering these at the price it costs to have them made. I'm just trying to give you something better. You want a garantee? Go somewhere, pay 3 prices, and they will "give" you another if you break it. Please try to realize what I'm doing.
Like I said, if you don't want one, do NOT get one.

rodent said:
Sorry I'm taking my time getting the money to you but I want to make sure this will strong enough behind a well built turbo V8 (similar specs to Nelson Racing Engines).

After looking at the 4422 input shaft, I'm a little concerned with having enough metal around the 32 spline shaft. When you measure the what the new bore size will be, thats about .100" less in the wall thickness. Its thin to begin with and with the new size it needs to be to fit a 32 spline, it has me worried.

wall thickness before: .282"
wall thickness after: .182"
35% less wall thickness

I'm also wondering if they offered an option for 4340 since thats stronger than 9310? I know 300m material might be out of the question due to price.

How much HP will these 9310 shafts support and is there any guarantee if I happen to break one? With a super built 4L80 and a 4472 thats been Cryo-treated, what will mostly likely break? (excluding propshafts, axles, etc)

Sorry for the all the questions and conerns but I just want to make sure this newly designed shaft will support the HP I'm shooting for.
 
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TT350

Manufacturer
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

rodent said:
Sorry I'm taking my time getting the money to you but I want to make sure this will strong enough behind a well built turbo V8 (similar specs to Nelson Racing Engines).

After looking at the 4422 input shaft, I'm a little concerned with having enough metal around the 32 spline shaft. When you measure the what the new bore size will be, thats about .100" less in the wall thickness. Its thin to begin with and with the new size it needs to be to fit a 32 spline, it has me worried.

wall thickness before: .282"
wall thickness after: .182"
35% less wall thickness

I'm also wondering if they offered an option for 4340 since thats stronger than 9310? I know 300m material might be out of the question due to price.

How much HP will these 9310 shafts support and is there any guarantee if I happen to break one? With a super built 4L80 and a 4472 thats been Cryo-treated, what will mostly likely break? (excluding propshafts, axles, etc)

Sorry for the all the questions and conerns but I just want to make sure this newly designed shaft will support the HP I'm shooting for.

Let me help you out here so you can get a grip on the hole deal.
After the input shaft is setup for 32 spline is will be
thinner that it was originally. BUT it is still THICKER
than a 27 SLINE SLIPE YOKE. I have never seen a yoke splite.

Don't try to shoot this full of holes, there’s a lot of planning and
engineering that has gone on for months and countless hours of
research that nobody knows nothing about to get to this point.

So if your going to make some real power you'll need one of these.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass but this is as good as it gets
as 4l80E upgrades are concerned.

And on top of that it will work with a turbo 400 as well.
 

rodent

Member
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Not trying to shoot any holes here Chris and if you have this going behind your turbo V8 build then my worries are over.

There's no need to be harsh about this George. I was just explaining what I measured last night and seamed legit. If I offended you by asking about a guarantee or asking about the strength of this, then I am sorry. I'd rather ask questions now then to find out later. Can you tell me what the wall thickness will be?
 
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George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

Re: BW4472 9310 input shafts

rodent said:
Not trying to shoot any holes here Chris and if you have this going behind your turbo V8 build then my worries are over.

There's no need to be harsh about this George. I was just explaining what I measured last night and seamed legit. If I offended you by asking about a guarantee or asking about the strength of this, then I am sorry. I'd rather ask questions now then to find out later. Can you tell me what the wall thickness will be?

You don't know what it's made of and how its heat treated and those factors mean a lot in relation to wall thickness. I'm not being harsh. I'm being straight up. Like I said, you want a garantee, go have one made, pay 3 prices for it and I'm sure they will "give" you another if you break it. No. I'm not gonna tell you how to go have them made. If you want one, get one, if not, I'm not making anyone do anything.
This isn't an input shaft for an 80e that I can sell thousands of. This isn't a intermediate shaft that can fit all the 400s and 80e's in existance. This is part that has a very small niche need. The demand is low. This is why no one else has done it. There is NO money to be made. Please try to get your mind around that.
 
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