Scanmaster SYTY
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turbodig
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Re: Scanmaster SYTY
They're neat for a sanity check (like a gauge), but there isn't really much useful tuning you could do with one. The data moves too fast.
Now, if you could get it to "capture" the data for 30 seconds or so, then download it later for review, that *would* be fairly useful...
My .02.
They're neat for a sanity check (like a gauge), but there isn't really much useful tuning you could do with one. The data moves too fast.
Now, if you could get it to "capture" the data for 30 seconds or so, then download it later for review, that *would* be fairly useful...
My .02.
STiffler
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Re: Scanmaster SYTY
I agree they are not the best tuning tool. But again, I had one on my GN's for years, and feel naked without it...I wouldn't hesitate to buy for my Sy even if I had a DM. And it does record the high or low (concerning) data for a couple of key data (O2 mV, and degrees knock retard), at least on the TR's. Yeah, tuning is limited to the O2 mV on the TR version, which doesn't even apply to the SyTy's, being that they are MAFless. But it's still nice to see all the other data, see knock, and all other engine parameters w/o having to go get the computer....it's always there, and just like looking at a boost guage (as you mentioned, & a boost guage is pretty much a must have option, I think most would say)...it's nice to look at it whenever.
Bottom line...I used my SM, everyday. The TR guages are also inaccurate (not as much as the SyTy's), but getting the digital coolant temp, mph, etc, at will is a huge convenience.
I think this is good example of not knowing what you're missing. Once a person has one, then they have qualified opinion...no offense. Kind of like a microwave. After having one for a while, most people wonder how they got along without one, or a cell phone!
Scratch the former bottom line. The new bottom line is...they're a very handy convenience. That's why they state that there have been thousands sold for the TR's.
turbodig said:
I agree they are not the best tuning tool. But again, I had one on my GN's for years, and feel naked without it...I wouldn't hesitate to buy for my Sy even if I had a DM. And it does record the high or low (concerning) data for a couple of key data (O2 mV, and degrees knock retard), at least on the TR's. Yeah, tuning is limited to the O2 mV on the TR version, which doesn't even apply to the SyTy's, being that they are MAFless. But it's still nice to see all the other data, see knock, and all other engine parameters w/o having to go get the computer....it's always there, and just like looking at a boost guage (as you mentioned, & a boost guage is pretty much a must have option, I think most would say)...it's nice to look at it whenever.
Bottom line...I used my SM, everyday. The TR guages are also inaccurate (not as much as the SyTy's), but getting the digital coolant temp, mph, etc, at will is a huge convenience.
I think this is good example of not knowing what you're missing. Once a person has one, then they have qualified opinion...no offense. Kind of like a microwave. After having one for a while, most people wonder how they got along without one, or a cell phone!
Scratch the former bottom line. The new bottom line is...they're a very handy convenience. That's why they state that there have been thousands sold for the TR's.
Re: Scanmaster SYTY
I second the "feeling naked without it"
I would buy one! I don't think there would be near as many "blown motors" if everyone used one :squint: heck, I'm affraid to even try my new Syclone out because I can't monitor for knock(stock,stock and stock). This would be a great product. :tup:
Ross L
I second the "feeling naked without it"
I would buy one! I don't think there would be near as many "blown motors" if everyone used one :squint: heck, I'm affraid to even try my new Syclone out because I can't monitor for knock(stock,stock and stock). This would be a great product. :tup: Ross L
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STiffler
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Re: Scanmaster SYTY
That is a big one...nobody makes anything like that? I know there's a knock detector out there for the Buick TR's. I'd think it would also work for the SyTy's. As I think I mentioned earlier that the scanmaster is nice because the default display shows the "degrees retard", which indirectly indicates how great the knock is.
I'm telling ya...I haven't done a blast in my GN in the last 7 years w/o keeping an eye on it (or at least after the fact). If it's over about 8 deg. retard, I'm retuning, not going WOT, or adding octane. And most importantly, only very rarely did I ever actually hear any knock...the motors can easily detonate w/o being able to hear it. Relying on the ear don't cut it (especially if one has aftermarket or modified exhaust)! And I'd say that if one does hear knock, it's severe, and will damage the motor in short order at that point.
TYTILIDIE said:
That is a big one...nobody makes anything like that? I know there's a knock detector out there for the Buick TR's. I'd think it would also work for the SyTy's. As I think I mentioned earlier that the scanmaster is nice because the default display shows the "degrees retard", which indirectly indicates how great the knock is.
I'm telling ya...I haven't done a blast in my GN in the last 7 years w/o keeping an eye on it (or at least after the fact). If it's over about 8 deg. retard, I'm retuning, not going WOT, or adding octane. And most importantly, only very rarely did I ever actually hear any knock...the motors can easily detonate w/o being able to hear it. Relying on the ear don't cut it (especially if one has aftermarket or modified exhaust)! And I'd say that if one does hear knock, it's severe, and will damage the motor in short order at that point.
midnightbluS10
Banned
Re: Scanmaster SYTY
So it's bassically a multi-guage in simpler terms? I seem to recall something similar for syty's if that's the case.
So it's bassically a multi-guage in simpler terms? I seem to recall something similar for syty's if that's the case.
Re: Scanmaster SYTY
I get out of the throttle at any knock retard above 1-2 degree's in my GN. But at 25psi bad things can happen really quick Yes, it's basically a "multi guage" of sorts that will store the highest knock retard count and lowest o2 reading. It will also list at what speed both occured. I use it as a guage in my GN. It's the first thing I look at when the throttle is opened(which is rare), if no knock and o2's look good, then a glance at the boost guage. We need something like this! :tup:
I get out of the throttle at any knock retard above 1-2 degree's in my GN. But at 25psi bad things can happen really quick
Yes, it's basically a "multi guage" of sorts that will store the highest knock retard count and lowest o2 reading. It will also list at what speed both occured. I use it as a guage in my GN. It's the first thing I look at when the throttle is opened(which is rare), if no knock and o2's look good, then a glance at the boost guage. We need something like this! :tup:
STiffler
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Re: Scanmaster SYTY
I'm telling you guys...they're great! It's a super convenient, permanently installed mini scan tool. I'm not too familiar with a multi-guage (think my new buddy Mike may have a digital multi guage on his a-pillar), but I think it's a little more sophisticated than that. Well...can a MG show all data readings from the ECM? If so, then yes, it is similar. Someone posted the diagram of a knock detector (which I have little interest in fabricating), but the SM is more than that...(and less), it doesn't show the level of knock, it shows the amount of timing pulled as a result of the knock.
I don't know how the data produced by the SyTy ECM's, but I suspect they're similar to the Buick TR's. Off the top of my head, the TR SM's show these ECM data:
O2 mV (MAF data; I know the SyTy's have..."speed density" data?, i.e, MAFless)
degrees knock retard
air inlet temp
TPS
Idle air control
coolant temp
mph
Int (integrator)
BL (block learn)
L8 (load)
rpm
...that's all I can think of for the moment on the Buick TR Scanmasters.
Whatever the Datamaster scantool shows, one could expect the same thing in a small box in a SyTy Scanmaster. You can see that the WRX (STi) version shows lots of different ECM data... http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com/itemdesc~CartId~{056ED831-0068-44CB-9EVERESTDC5-C273FAEB117D}~ic~050SCANWRX~eq~~Tp~.htm
I'm telling you guys...they're great! It's a super convenient, permanently installed mini scan tool. I'm not too familiar with a multi-guage (think my new buddy Mike may have a digital multi guage on his a-pillar), but I think it's a little more sophisticated than that. Well...can a MG show all data readings from the ECM? If so, then yes, it is similar. Someone posted the diagram of a knock detector (which I have little interest in fabricating), but the SM is more than that...(and less), it doesn't show the level of knock, it shows the amount of timing pulled as a result of the knock.
I don't know how the data produced by the SyTy ECM's, but I suspect they're similar to the Buick TR's. Off the top of my head, the TR SM's show these ECM data:
O2 mV (MAF data; I know the SyTy's have..."speed density" data?, i.e, MAFless)
degrees knock retard
air inlet temp
TPS
Idle air control
coolant temp
mph
Int (integrator)
BL (block learn)
L8 (load)
rpm
...that's all I can think of for the moment on the Buick TR Scanmasters.
Whatever the Datamaster scantool shows, one could expect the same thing in a small box in a SyTy Scanmaster. You can see that the WRX (STi) version shows lots of different ECM data... http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com/itemdesc~CartId~{056ED831-0068-44CB-9EVERESTDC5-C273FAEB117D}~ic~050SCANWRX~eq~~Tp~.htm
willyson
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Re: Scanmaster SYTY
that looks like its off of invisibill's syty website. hes got some useful tips/tricks on there like this and the hood latch guard :2cents:
http://syclone.invisibill.net/
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that looks like its off of invisibill's syty website. hes got some useful tips/tricks on there like this and the hood latch guard :2cents:
http://syclone.invisibill.net/