Installed Ultimate & 50# Inj. - now truck barely runs

ed hess

race or get outta the way
I would like to know 3 things here:

You sold the 50 injectors, did the buyer have any problem with them?

Did brian have you try a second 50lb chip?

did brian test the 50 lb chip and did it test ok?

Asking this, wondering what was wrong between those 2 items!

ed
 

Daron

Active member
Too much alky, with too big a plug gap, along with not enough fuel, can cause mis-fires and show up on your scan tool as knock.
 

mrweelr

New member
Mike - with the stock chip and stock injectors I was getting under 5 degrees KR with 91 octane and alky injection. Without alky, it would spike up to 8 or 9 degrees at times. The Ultimate seems to be more sensitive to low octane fuel...no surprise there. Will do more testing with better fuels and go from there.

Ed -

You sold the 50 injectors, did the buyer have any problem with them? He hasn't installed them yet and probably won't for some time. He's using Accel DFI and Calmap to tune his Ty. I would like to know this myself.

Did brian have you try a second 50lb chip? Yes, he reprogrammed it for me 3 times if I remember correctly. Not much difference between any of the programs, at least not in my case.

Did brian test the 50 lb chip and did it test ok? As far as I know, yes.

Daron - I hear you loud and clear. I'm actually gapping a brand new set of UR6's right now at .030" and will install them today. Going to test with better fuels for now WITHOUT alky to get a baseline. May try the more aggressive T1 programs too.

I also have a Hallman Evo MBC that came out of my Talon (being sold) which I'm going to install in the Sy. Should be interesting to see if it helps with spool and boost control. Will post an update later.
 
bg, i think a definition of "speed density" fuel injection system would likely help some people out here, like mrweeler....it would seem the correlation between programming and injector sizing is not clear to many.
after just suffering thru this entire long stupid post i am just too tired!
and, i too think it was way nice to help after eating so many shit sandwiches...
 

mrweelr

New member
OK, the truck is running frickin' awesome! I drove around for 30 minutes tonight with Datamaster hooked up using Ultimate settings T1-15 to T1-20. Bad news is the O2 Mv's are 850-925 at WOT so I think it's running a bit lean. KR is still spiking up to 10 at times but usually hovering between 5 to 8 degrees - this is with 91 octane and 5 gallons of Xylene. I added 8 oz. of Marvel's Mystery Oil to the tank when I mixed in the Xylene for good measure. So it looks like I still have a knock problem, and the alky doesn't seem to be helping a whole lot.

I put brand new UR6 plugs in today gapped at .030"...holy cow, the idle is smooth as glass, no shit. I had switched back to the stock AC plugs a few thousand miles ago since the original UR6's got fouled when I was messing with the 50# stuff. Bottom line: stock plugs = crappy idle; UR6 plugs = perfect idle. I've gone through three sets of stock and 2 sets of UR6 plugs over the past year so I'm 100% sure the NGK's work better, at least in my truck.

Why the O2 Mv's are so low seems strange to me. I actually bumped up my base fuel pressure to 50 psi tonight so I guess I need to go even higher? Will try this tomorrow and scan with Datamaster. At 0 boost/vacuum, the Autometer gauge shows 50 psi of fuel pressure and at 20 psi of boost I'm seeing 70 psi of fuel pressure so fuel delivery appears to be OK. I think I'm going to replace the O2 sensor for good measure.

Anyway, here's the GOOD news. Hooked up the G-Tech after messing with Datamaster and went out driving around for like 1.5 hours testing and looking for action. Results? 0-60 in 3.9 once, 4.0 twice, and 4.1 twice...woohoo! 8) My best time prior to this evening was 4.6 using the same G-Tech on the same flat stretch of road. So we're definitely getting faster here. I was locking the TC and launching at 10 psi squealing the tires every time. I'd bet my left nut this is a 12-second truck now.

Here's where it gets REALLY good. So I'm driving back and forth down Central expressway trying to catch red lights so I can do more G-Tech runs and I see two round headlights coming up on me really fast - was doing about 50 mph. So when the lights reach my rear bumper, I drop the hammer and take it up to about 85 mph - he sticks with me all the way. I wasn't surprised since our trucks really shine from a dead stop, not from roll-ons. Well, I slow down to let "it" pass me and Jesus H. Christ, it's a Porsche 911 Turbo (993)! Here's what it was:

http://absolute911.mega.net.kg/993turbo.html

So he takes the San Tomas offramp flying around the turn and I do my best to stick with him. He gets snagged up behind a turd and does a monster pass over the double yellow to try and lose me; I stick to him all the way. He stops at the stop sign to make a right onto San Tomas and I was all over him. I heard him rev it hard and then he spun all four tires - I did the same right behind him. Result? Dead heat all the way up to 85 mph and I actually started gaining on him at the very end before he shut it down...unbelievable. I locked up the front tires when I got next to him hoping he was going to line up with me at the next red light but he took a quick right. This stuffed shirt must have been flabbergasted that some black S15 just gave his $100K car a run :) Too bad we didn't go from a dead stop so I could have locked the TC and done a 10 psi launch :(

So I'm smiling from ear-to-ear at this point contemplating what just happened and I decide to drive around some more hoping for some more action. Well, some guys in a new WRX tried me two lights in a row and I just annihilated them; the guy wouldn't even acknowledge me at the 3rd light, he he. Then a chump in a new GTI VR6 ran me two consecutive lights...total domination by the Sy again 8) All of these races, including the 911 Turbo, were using T1-20 and alky spray on.

Tomorrow I'll play with the fuel pressure some more to see if I can get the O2 Mv's up. Will post more after I've done some testing with Datamaster.
 

mrweelr

New member
Turned the fuel pressure up to 53 psi today and drove the piss out of it using T1-20. KR is lower now - usually under 7 degrees - but still higher than I would like. O2 Mv's look good now at 900-950 :D Gonna' try to find a race fuel supplier in the Bay Area and see how the truck likes 110 or 116. One thing that is obvious is my boost control is total garbage. After reading some of the other posts, I've decided to order an external wastegate ASAP. Using the MBC seems too risky so I'm going to just let the Ultimate control boost. If anyone has a stock crossover with welded on wastegate for sale, please contact me. I think some of my KR issues are related to boost spikes. It shot up to ~24 psi a couple of times and I got out of it right away. Will take the truck out late tonight and do 5 or 6 G-Tech runs to make sure we're still running at least 3.9 with the higher fuel pressure.
 

ed hess

race or get outta the way
i know my truck was like nite and day between 93 and 104. I tried 110 and got my best run ever at t118. Just use the 116 and t318 or t320.
And i have a feeling you will be very happy. I havent tried the higher chip settings yet. stock motor and all was 13.4. I know ive got more in it.
Hopefully get more runs before the new motor is ready.

My next trip to atco on the 15th, if the snow is gone will be using 116 and t318.

ed
 
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