Anyone been using ZDDPlus?

[Damian]

Re: Anyone been using ZDDPlus?

I read the whole thing. As far as the engine coming up to full temp otherwise it can cause damage is pretty much goes the same with all engines. I've worked on huge V-16 deisels and V-12s, and gas turbines and it's not good to run them for short periods of time constantly.

Fwiw, I just run 10/w30 synthetic blend and change my oil every 3k miles.

 

[midnightbluS10]

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I read something today about breaking in engines with synthetic oil. I know everyone recommends not to do it, but what I read brought up the fact that some vehicles, such as the Corvette, get full syn. oil from day one from the factory and those engines break in just fine. Anyone got anything to say on that subject?

 

[Gnocide]

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dude that is a great Dave question i don't have experience in

and you know what piss off because every time i respond to one of your threads - i become the bad guy.

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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Im not taking any sides or anything but nothing but mobil 1 has ever been in my syclone but I have to say that Diesel oil used in the mustang world pre modular motor has been widely known and used with great results for years.. My little brother used rotella in his built roller 302 motor which was first supercharged then swapped to turbo after a head/cam change without a problem and was actually recommended to him from two different local performance shops to use with his combo. I think this is one of those subjects that will never have enough facts to go eitherway

 

[DaveP]

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I know everyone recommends not to do it, but what I read brought up the fact that some vehicles, such as the Corvette, get full syn. oil from day one from the factory and those engines break in just fine. Anyone got anything to say on that subject?

Yes. Read this.

Big difference between a modern Corvette (or any modern production engine) and a 'production-shop' rebuild is the ability to hold tight tolerances during machining and assembly. There is little "break-in" required on a tightly-controlled tolerance engine.

 

[midnightbluS10]

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dude that is a great Dave question i don't have experience in

and you know what piss off because every time i respond to one of your threads - i become the bad guy.

Excuse me? Man, I replied directly to you once and it was to say that it benefits engines besides ones with flat tappet cams. Just because you're arguing with other people in a thread I created doesnt mean I have anything to do with this. Chill out. Take a breather. Hell, put DaveP on ignore. But dont drag me into this.

 

[Davemc1963]

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I'd just like to add something to what someone mentioned about using what GM recommended when the trucks were new. Mobil 1 twenty years ago was a very good oil and could hold its head high with the other 'good' performance oils of the day. Today, Mobil 1 is a shadow of its former self and there are many examples on the www that discuss levels of Zinc and Phosphorus and other anti wear additives that are no longer in the likes of Mobil 1 in the same quantities any more. Mobil have like many oil makers succumed to new car manufacturers requiring oils to not damage O2 sensors and Cats over an extended period of time. (They are riding on their good historical credentials to sell oil to the manufacturers and then the masses). This is in addition to the emissions reductions that are linked that also come into the equation. One area that hasn't been mentioned is the thrust bearings on our turbos. these will suffer with lower levels of HP anti wear additives. Apart from racing oils, (Valvoline make several), diesel oils are the way to go. One thing you need to be aware of though is that they are high detergent and if used on an old sludgy engine can cause other issues as you can no doubt work out. Just my 2c.

 

[Darin]

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So are my clients, and that's all I really care about. They pay me. No one on here does.

Well said.

 

[syclone3]

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Mobil 1 15W-50 still has the original higher levels of Zinc. The 10w-30 obviously doesn't.

 

[datsunguy]

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Interesting back and forth here....I deleted my remote oil setup and converted to screw on these past few days. SInce the motor had run dry I wanted a higher zinc content, heavier viscosity oil to coat all my bearings/cam/rockers etc. etc. For the first 5000 miles with the spin on I chose Red Lines fully synthetic 15w 40 deisel. I also chose WIX for my filter. I have done the research on this oil and I can't see in any documents/articles that say this is detrimental to a gasoline/induction v6 application. I can tell you that the higher levels of zinc, right balance of detergents, and thicker viscosity will benefit any motor. My :2cents:

 

[SY2455]

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Now......... DaveP,

You can have a classroom full of students. But you must remember that in each classroom there are those students that (no matter how hard you try, they just want to eat the book covers). When you get those stuents, the only thing you can do is help those that want to learn.

 

[berzerker]

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been running 15/40 delvac or rotella in all my engines for years and never one bit of issues . love it . plus it's free for me . it does get a little thick in the winter months ,, but no worries .

 

[Gnocide]

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I like this game .

Dave P
YOU CAN HAVE proof and get the info from the manufacture of the products who spend millions on scientists and chemical engineers to make sure their billion dollar industry will succeed and avoid lawsuits.
You can add up the mathematical formulas and all the numbers work truthfully as tested as required by government for said product TO BE used.
Its even true things may also work for other things they were not designed for WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS WRONG IT JUST MEANS ITS not the same thing or does the exact same thing the exact same way as with pre 1987 engines with flat tappet cams SPECIFICALLY.

But if your popular, ignorant people will ignore the facts and twist the meaning even though its POSTED right in front of their stupid asses just to be your friend.

and to be clear
im talking about you sy2455

your easily mislead and i want you to be certain i have personally directed this at you in case your snide bullshit creeps up my way again.

 

[DaveP]

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I built and installed an engine for Sy2455. Sy2455 is not only a "friend", He is also a paying, satisfied, client. Which as I said earlier tin this thread, is my primary concern. That my paying clients are happy with their expenditure.

The engine he paid for was delivered with Delo 400 30W in it. Whether he continues to use that oil in it or not, is up to him.

 

[jklein68]

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Disclaimer: I am not taking sides, as I don't know sh** about oil, or participating in personal attacks.

Even though the oil and automotive industries are billion dollar industries I think that their scope is very limited. It's impossible to test all variables over a long period of time. They limit their scope in order to find a solution that they can support. We see this everyday in the Technology industry as well. This is how they avoid lawsuits.

For example, I have a BMW. BMW only supports using "BMW" oil in their engines and has documentation to prove why. Does that mean that there isn't any other oil that would work just as good or better? Of course not. Will people cause irreversible damage to their engines trying to find out, yes.

The concept of Hot Rodding and automotive performance is built off of smart people trying new things and keeping track of the results. The automotive industry has seen countless innovations from people trying things from outside the norm. Check out Smokey Yunick.

There are people on this board (DaveP) that know more about a turbo charged 4.3 than anyone at GM, Mobile, Chevron, etc. combined. People tend to listen to direct experiential knowledge. Sometimes their wrong but most of the time they're right.

 

[SY2455]

Re: Anyone been using ZDDPlus?

I like this game .

Dave P
YOU CAN HAVE proof and get the info from the manufacture of the products who spend millions on scientists and chemical engineers to make sure their billion dollar industry will succeed and avoid lawsuits.
You can add up the mathematical formulas and all the numbers work truthfully as tested as required by government for said product TO BE used.
Its even true things may also work for other things they were not designed for WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS WRONG IT JUST MEANS ITS not the same thing or does the exact same thing the exact same way as with pre 1987 engines with flat tappet cams SPECIFICALLY.

But if your popular, ignorant people will ignore the facts and twist the meaning even though its POSTED right in front of their stupid asses just to be your friend.

and to be clear
im talking about you sy2455

your easily mislead and i want you to be certain i have personally directed this at you in case your snide bullshit creeps up my way again.

I like this too, being we know who the rock hit when it landed. Here is your reply Gnocide. Just so you know I'm not easily mislead. If you will do your research into why the oil base is changing you will find out that it has to do more with the changes that take place at the manufacturers level and with the desire to make emission stuff last longer. Just so you know, I do my own research before I do just about anything and I don't fall for any 1 or more person or Company story. Why do I do my own research ? Because we are know that most companies and / or people are out to sell the goods they have. At times these same people will try and put the other companies products down because it is the sales #'s that matters.

So tell me Geocide are you a chemist/engineer ? Here are a couple of things that you might find worth reading if you like.

1. http://www.aa1car.com/library/api_motor_oil_classifications.htm

2. Take note of the "Causes of catalyst fouling"

http://www.aa1car.com/library/converter.htm

I want you to be certain i will personally direct this at you with a 100% guarantee of me just having fun in case your snide bullshit creeps up my way again. I will look forward to having fun with you again :tup::rotf:.
P.S. You sound like someone that is wrap just a little too tight. Get a grip......

To the OP, I'm sorry that your thread was jacked, hopefully the 2 links I posted will help you too. The are many more that could be put up if needed.

 

[SY2455]

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I built and installed an engine for Sy2455. Sy2455 is not only a "friend", He is also a paying, satisfied, client. Which as I said earlier tin this thread, is my primary concern. That my paying clients are happy with their expenditure.

The engine he paid for was delivered with Delo 400 30W in it. Whether he continues to use that oil in it or not, is up to him.

Dave, do to the temps that we have here I change to Mobil 1 -- 15W-50 in the truck. Thank You for the work that you did as I don't have the time to do it.

 

[Gnocide]

Re: Anyone been using ZDDPlus?

I built and installed an engine for Sy2455. Sy2455 is not only a "friend", He is also a paying, satisfied, client. Which as I said earlier tin this thread, is my primary concern. That my paying clients are happy with their expenditure.

The engine he paid for was delivered with Delo 400 30W in it. Whether he continues to use that oil in it or not, is up to him.

Dave p ,
I was pretty sure he is a friend with a vested=$$$$ interest before you CLARIFIED that-
Because for anyone to hijack a thread and offer no credible advise on the subject with an interest to start shit has to be a serious nut rider.

Just as i said about twisting stuff around you see he has totally taken off with this.

sy2455, do you even know ,
in 1 or 2 sentences , what is the thing or things Dave and i disagree on?

(try not to copy every word i say this time and use some original THOUGHT IN THAT BIG BRAIN OF YOURS)

 

[midnightbluS10]

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This aint a freakin 3rd grade classroom. If you can't be civil, go to time-out, guys. Geez.

You two arguing back and forth isn't bringing much relevant info to the subject at hand.

Do you guys even remember what that might be?

Oh, thats right. Whether people are using ZDDPlus or any other oil containing higher levels of ZDDP. And what they've seen as a result of it's usage. You two can argue your opinions on oil til you're both blue in the face, but go do it somewhere else. Please.

 

[Gnocide]

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i would like to offer Dave P an apology

I STILL THINK HES A GREAT GUY AND A VALUABLE RESOURCE TO Our COMMUNITY and this board.

my only difference with him is the flat tappet cam 1987 and older cars which has nothing to do with our trucks at all.

sorry for the hassle