Why??

[blk00z28]

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I know for a fact that some people see me selling injectors at this low price and have a problem with it..

Is it the problem with competing vendors not being (or willing) to sell the same thing as cheap, or the customers second guessing how "good" the cheaper parts are? (when they both might be the same exact part.)

I look at the head package as this; A set of stage 2 or 3 heads for my LS1 cost anywhere from $1800-4k. Bare or turn key. Thats not with install price. Most around in the $3k price range. The thing with the Vortech's is it comes with a lower intake. Which saves some time and probably a little money searching for another one to use and then redrill eveything. The LS heads dont come with a newer style intake. So thats nother $800+ or so right there for those. So maybe $2300 isnt to bad for the package. Sure I'd like it to be like $1500.. but I dont think it will ever happen. Unless we find out GM has a warehouse full of SyTy's that they have been hiding and are selling new again.. :lol:

Also, you dont have to get a billet crank if your doing a rebuild. Its been shown that a stock (*good*) crank can hold together to run 9's. (cough Ed..) BUT, there is a price to pay if you want to go fast. I wanna know the price of a bow-tie block.. Thats what I wanna know. And why (if its over $3k) it cost so much. And where to get one.

 

[Syclone#1992]

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Why should you help the community with cheap affordable parts...... make a killing off us while you can. Hopefully you can retire and happy man at a young age.

I just learned that from opening my Jr. year economics book.

There are other factors that affect demand. The demand function is affected by oppurtunity costs, income, price of related goods, tastes and preferences and the number of people demanding the part.

If people can get away with it, they will make money....

 

[Syclone#1992]

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Another thing....if people think parts are that expensive and markup is huge, open up a SyTy parts place, with lower markup prices....more vendors=better for the consumer.

 

[qbnkiller]

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I dont feel like 'ripping off' customers does me any good. I am not here to bad-mouth anyone at all. This is a small community. If I offend anyone with a price on something, just buy it from someone else. If you like what I am selling, and the price suits you, then we are both mutually benefitted. Plain and simple.

 

[dgoodhue]

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A $1000 markup is a $1000 markup no matter how you look at it or how many class' you take.

Typically a lot of the shelf part are marked up by a percentage. For instance 15% on a 100 part is only $15 profit (not including operating costs), while 15% on 1500 is $225.

Some of that though depends on the part and investment made. For instance if a Vendor has to buy 5 cranks to get the cost down he will be incesting his own money until they sell. He could have $10K worth of cranks in his inventory, it has to be worth his while to sell them and quite frankly he has want to make a profit if he want to stay in business (and profit on the part that don't intially sell) Their is also the time value of money as well, money invested on part sitting on a shelf typically lose value. (interest, inflation etc)

On some items their is a heavy developmental cost. For instance a piece of electronics that costs $300 but it only cost $75 to make. Does that seem fair? What if is someone spent 500 Hours developing a part and they only expect to sell 100 of them?

If you think SyTy owner are getting rake over the coals for part $$ look at ZR-1 owners. They recently found out through phone calls to the crank manufactures, the $5000 Billet stroker crank they were buying we being marked up 100%, but they had to order five of them....

I personally don't think any of the SyTy vendors are getting rich off of their SyTy business, some might make a decent living or suplemental income. Partly the only way to make a few dollar of a SyTy owner is if the are doing complete built motor & turbo. By looking the timeslip webpage and timeslip poll, their are awful lot of us doing bolts on...

 

[93ty475]

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Also, you dont have to get a billet crank if your doing a rebuild. Its been shown that a stock (*good*) crank can hold together to run 9's. (cough Ed..)

Ed didn't go 9's on a stock crank, did he? He had a billet crank in there IIRC....

 

[93ty475]

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I think people need to stop trying to pick apart Mike's business....For some reason it seems as if this post is directed at him....He runs a top of the line shop and he is a first class person...He operates in LA and it costs alot more money to operate there than most places from what I understand.....I'm suprised he's still around after all the BS some people post up about RPM sometimes....Ok now where's my free shirt Mike!!!!

 

[TYPHOOL7]

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I think people need to stop trying to pick apart Mike's business....For some reason it seems as if this post is directed at him....He runs a top of the line shop and he is a first class person...He operates in LA and it costs alot more money to operate there than most places from what I understand.....I'm suprised he's still around after all the BS some people post up about RPM sometimes....Ok now where's my free shirt Mike!!!!

shirts on its way, but we need 15 dollars for shipping

 

[sytyguy]

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The way I have done business (and will continue to do so) is to give as good of a deal as possible to the SyTy crowd while trying to make it worth my time as well (usually 10-15% if possible on items under $200 and then strictly off dollar basis beyond that (I make $20 off a set of Eagle Rods :roll: ).

So, it's no secret that it'll be 600+ years before I retire off of syty.net. However, that isn't, nor was it ever my motive for being a vendor here. I make my money (what little I do) from our local community. Internet sales account for 5-8% of my total annual gross (not net) sales. Knowing that, I try to distribute as much of the business as I can. I send people to E-Rue, Mike, and others as often as I can. I know the stress of this business and since my income doesn't depend on this site, I have no problem spreading the "wealth". Don't get me wrong, I want all the business I can get (can't make money otherwise), but not at the expense of my "competition".

Anyone who is in business is in it to make money. They wouldn't be there otherwise. And while there should be certain moral guidelines to prevent inflated pricing, we have to pay what those who sell parts charge for them. We all do. That's business.

Hood

 

[Silly]

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I think people need to stop trying to pick apart Mike's business....For some reason it seems as if this post is directed at him....He runs a top of the line shop and he is a first class person...He operates in LA and it costs alot more money to operate there than most places from what I understand.....I'm suprised he's still around after all the BS some people post up about RPM sometimes....Ok now where's my free shirt Mike!!!!

As I said in one of the first two post I made in this thread was that I am not picking on any one inparticular. The prices and parts I listed where just the first ones I found while searching, they are not all his prices.

The crank and him came up because someone else posted the cost of the cranks that he is selling for $2500. And just like I have told other members on here he is not the only person who sells a crank at that price.

People need to stop trying to pick apart everything and continue to have a DISCUSSION about this... not a flame war, although I am surprised it has gone this far already

 

[Silly]

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.....I'm suprised he's still around after all the BS some people post up about RPM sometimes....

Why is it BS if a person post their opinion when they have dealt with a shop? That is the stuff that needs to be heard.

Now on the other hand when people bash a shop that they have never done business with then yes that is wrong.

 

[JSM]

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The end result though is in the end if Mike, Myself, Turbotime, etc have a product with a price you don't like nobody is forcing anybody to purchase it.

Any company is going to have their reasons for those prices. It is THEIR company and THEIR decision on what the final price needs to be to make it worth the time.

One thing I have learned though and I am sure anybody selling parts can agree to some degree. "The guy you try to make a good deal for, will be the first to cause you the most pain." Wether they send it back, etc.

In the end final costs factor in more than just base product cost. The extra costs can be service, overhead, time involved answer phones, tech support, how long did you have money invested in inventory, etc.

As consumers we have choices and nothing is dictated. I think due to the syclone/typhoon market size big companies do not get involved leaving several smaller of us vendors to try to support these trucks.

If this market was lucrative I can assure you big companies would already be here.

 

[TYPHOOL7]

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Im sorry but it seems like theres a few people with too much time on thier hands ranting on the internet, its sad.
In the defense of most businesses (not syty specific) and by businesses i mean ones that are the leaders in supply, take K Mart for example; this is what i say in thier defense. When K Mart makes a purchase they buy the item in "bulk" maybe 100,000+ units, they are able to use thier purchse power to lower thier costs and create a higher profit, correct? Also the items that K Mart provide are most likley everyday items, toilet tissue, paper, water, etc.. Now these items they have an almost garuntee on thier sales, and most large corporations and businesses are insured, for loss theft natural disaster what have you. People are making billions of dollars off of this type of business, creating thier own market with markups upwards of 300% sometimes.
Now lets compare this to a SyTy vendor, you can't, its impossible. There are so many factors that come into play; theres availability, quality, supply and demand, and as mentioned this market, this small syty market has such a limit on a "potential" customer, no garuntees, there are much higher risks. Also as mentioned in a different thread, the thread about FG cladding, most parts for our trucks are NOT off the shelf parts, they are SPECIFIC to our trucks and require some machineing/wrenching to make work properly for the application, consider time as a major factor in pricing. Its simple, dont buy a front end kit, dont buy that bigger turbo, dont buy the heads from a syty vendor, thats what makes them the most money. You do these types of things and then blow your truck up, the person/s that you dealt with along the way (all 30 of them) will have no idea where to begin and help you to get out of this situation forcing you to go to a reliable vendor/builder and then you lose the big bucks repairing and starting over. I dont see many people complaining about losing money unless they have done something wrong and or are building a motor for the 2nd 3rd 4th time, yes i agree, thats $$$$ lost.
These businesses are, like it or not, the only ones who actually do care, so what you spend a few extra dollars because someone went and dropped more than youve invested in your truck in the past year on say 10 sets of custom suspension a arms and powdercoating, design and fabrication for the community to better thier vehicles; you buy a pallet of heads, you buy massive amounts of tubing to make a arms, you never know, put like 10 years into it like these guys have and i just may buy a set off of you.

 

[93ty475]

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I refuse to argue with you (I have my reasons for that :lol: ) but I will make some comments....It seems as though you have never been in business for yourself....You should try it sometime.... It will set you straight and might change your outlook on some of these things....You can't blame Mike for trying to stay ahead of the 8 ball...He's not working a 9-5 job like alot of people here....This is his living....that is all....

 

[Silly]

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The end result though is in the end if Mike, Myself, Turbotime, etc have a product with a price you don't like nobody is forcing anybody to purchase it.

I agree 100% and thats why I dont buy certain parts from certain vendors and trust me I have bought at least one thing from just about every vendor on this board at one time or another.

I have never told anyone not to go somewhere, just as I would not tell someone not to state their opinion on a matter.

 

[TYPHOOL7]

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I refuse to argue with you (I have my reasons for that :lol: ) but I will make some comments....It seems as though you have never been in business for yourself....You should try it sometime.... It will set you straight and might change your outlook on some of these things....You can't blame Mike for trying to stay ahead of the 8 ball...He's not working a 9-5 job like alot of people here....This is his living....that is all....

and in Mikes defense, he drives a GMC truck with some rims and tires and a minor lift, his house is no mansion, his shop, work and parts are amazing and hes dirty EVERYDAY. Not smelly and greasy like a coal miner or something, but hes into hands on as are a lot of others, I personally pay for that.


sorry mike lol

 

[spooldup]

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The prices for syty's is high but no even remotly close to the prices vendors charge for supra parts! I am glad to pay the prices for the typhoons parts rather than buy more parts for the supra.

 

[Silly]

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and in Mikes defense, he drives a GMC truck with some rims and tires and a minor lift, his house is no mansion, his shop, work and parts are amazing and hes dirty EVERYDAY. Not smelly and greasy like a coal miner or something, but hes into hands on as are a lot of others, I personally pay for that.
sorry mike lol

EDIT> for those who don't have a sense of humor

But for real whats that have to do with anything... he can have a 40 car garage for all I care. I said in the beginning and I will say again... this is NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS HIM.

I just re read each post I have made in this thread and I don't see where i said any of this was directed towards him other than posting a link that another member had posted before. But again I was talking to one of the moderators of this forum earlier and told him that that particular shop is not the only shop that sells them for that price, that is the standard price.

 

[gkrcr882]

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Spooldup has a point, imagine if we had to have our parts imported from overseas? I personally think that the prices are dictated by demand, as much as it pains you to hear this. There is no market for 4.3 performance parts, simply because the 4.3 was never maketed as a performace engine. The 4.3's sole job was to provide adequate power in a reliable fuel-effiecent package. Take an engine like that, add turbochargers, intercoolers, and complex EFI systems and thats where the price comes in. Had these trucks been equipped with SBCs, there would be cheap parts available on every street corner, like Mustang and F-body parts are now. Another reason parts cost what they do is because they are usually new or remanufactured. Production and materials costs are always going up, and the company that rebuilds heads has expenses and employees to pay. You get what you pay for most of the time, get some J/Y heads and you probably will luck out and they will work well, but you never know if the engine they came off of was severely overheated, had a loss of oil pressure, or how many miles are on it. Not trying to put you down, but the SyTy market is all about numbers.:2cents:

 

[TYPHOOL7]

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Edited for people with bad humor

rofl coming from the guy who stated, this is not a flame topic, nice tude there big guy.
...oh and its called the truth!