what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

bender

bender

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Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

typhoon noob said:
This thing looks pretty cool, I wish it had a boost controller on it as well:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16301&cat=265&page=1

Does anyone know of a do-it-all gauge system that will monitor everything that you connect a sensor to, read wideband 02, and be a boost controller?
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I just bought the plx package. SM-AFR and Bosch sensor, I read too many posts about the LC-1's failing to even try anything with it included.
 
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typhoon noob

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Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

Thanks bender,

That DM-200 is really nice, that's what I'll be using to monitor everything. It can handle up to 32 sensor modules and show 4 at one time.
 
The Bronze

The Bronze

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Good information. I wished my plx performed a little better. :tdown:
 
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NorwegianTy

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He makes some good points in the test/article, especially about the diagnostic function of the innovate. But as for his "test", I would give him an F. Yes, the sensors are factory calibrated, but if you look trough data from bosch, they still deviate alot. If the test goal are to show difference in the meters and not the sensor, he should run one sensor and copy the values he got with a signal generator, the way this test is done you have no way of knowing if what the problem really is.
 
turbodig

turbodig

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Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

The Bronze said:
Good information. I wished my plx performed a little better. :tdown:
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That "article" has been widely debunked.

The test methods were absolute crap... gas test a sensor by holding it in open air in front of the gas cylinder valve?

Also, they didn't even try to hide the fact that the "testers" had a giant Innovate banner on their wall.

Innovate makes some nice products... it should have avoided association with this particular article.

Your plx actually performs... as in, stays working. Search LC-1 here and see what you find.

I've dealt with literally dozens of wide-bands, and I've never encountered a PLX that failed.
 
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hrodgmc

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x2 for PLX.... LC-1 IS A POS...... Been there, done that !! LM-1 ok for the money but LM-2 is all you can get now. LM-1 internally looks like it was built in someones garage.

I was told Innovate was a partial knock-off from VEMS. This was by former DOD contractor that has made a major impact on the high-end import market.
http://www.vems.us/v3ecu
 
dgoodhue

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

hrodgmc said:
x2 for PLX.... LC-1 IS A POS...... Been there, done that !! LM-1 ok for the money but LM-2 is all you can get now. LM-1 internally looks like it was built in someones garage.

I was told Innovate was a partial knock-off from VEMS. This was by former DOD contractor that has made a major impact on the high-end import market.
http://www.vems.us/v3ecu
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It doesn't surprise me, Innovate copied the DIY WBO2 that was suppose to be a not for profit project.
 
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Bad Ass Black Trucks

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Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

typhoon noob said:
This thing looks pretty cool, I wish it had a boost controller on it as well:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16301&cat=265&page=1

Does anyone know of a do-it-all gauge system that will monitor everything that you connect a sensor to, read wideband 02, and be a boost controller?
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If you are doing your own tuning, I would bypass the doo-dads and the extra features and get the best wideband O2 you can get. The Motec PLM is one of the kings of the hill that a professional tuner would use with a Dyno. Unfortunately they cost about $1,800 new. I have heard that the NGK AFX with the NTK sensor is the best budget setup. Doesn't have many "features" but it comes recommended in this thread: http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21019

I am also reading "Designing and Tuning High-Performance Fuel Injection Systems" by Greg Banish. It is a great read and I have learned a good bit from the book even having a pretty darn good understanding of EFI systems. He also recommends the NGK AFX and the guy has a graduate degree in Mechanical Engineering and tunes PCMs for General Motors. He also does performance tuning on the side, so I hold his insights with high regard.

The NTK sensor, however, is more expensive so continuous use isn't always practical. You can use a bosch sensor with the NGK AFX to monitor AFR on a daily basis.

Now, if you have a reputable tuner that tunes your truck on a loaded dyno and has a good data acquisition system and professional Wideband, your choice of WBO2 is less important. If you aren't using it to tune and just want to keep an eye on things (which I think is a good idea) I would go with the PLX.
 
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hrodgmc

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If you're going to get a lab grade wb get the gases required to test it's accuracy each use.


Greg works for alot of people and know's the game ALOT better than people who also offer efi tuning books. He's done alot of stuff behind the scenes.


NTK is seldom used anymore on most dyno's b/c of the expense. I think most PLX and innovate units will swap from NTK to bosch.


Last I looked, all the mid-range dyno's are now using Bosch sensors. (mustang, dynojet, superflow) I think that's one of the few good things gotten from a VW.
 
10secTy

10secTy

Sy-Ty builder and Tuner
Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

If you are on a budget get the NGK AFX with the NTK sensor. If you have more money they get a AFM1000 from ECM that is what the big 3 use.
I use a AFM1000 when tuning on the dyno.

Nolan
 
dBaseD

dBaseD

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Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

Just FWIW - I just installed the new ZT3 from Zeitronix in my Evo and my Sy. Nice little setup for a reasonable price. No heatsinks or re-calibrations needed. It has a nice data logger too and the analog outputs can be altered to match whatever curve you like.

-Jason
 
Nitrous

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Re: what is the best Wideband O2 sensor

I run a FAST dual wideband with my HPTuners and I decided to try the AEM wideband with the TunerproRT. These are both compatible with HPTuners and I love to see the fuel trims on both headers vs one with the FAST dual. The AEM was easy to install and you can run it staright into the ecmfor tuning. I can't say too much for the innovative LM2 since it since in most of my friends toolboxes and they go back to the LM1 for accuracy. If you want something simple you can watch all the time go with the AEM uego and matching boost gauge and put them in your pillar pod. :2cents:
 
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