SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

2kSnakEater

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what is the max towing capacity that the TY can tow? and how about the Bravada? I just towed my 91 Celica All-Trac (3100lbs) with a car hauler (1000lbs) and the bravada did it wonderfully, the brakes were more than adequate and the only thing that bothered me is that the rear of the the truck was lower than I wanted it to be. Im not surprised thought since the Bravada does have 210k miles on it.
 

TDSRacing

New member
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

I don't think it is the design that would hurt towing but the turbo. Gas turbos build a lot of heat and would build boost during the tow. Heat would not get a chance to be cooled under long boost runs.


Tim
 

Luke

Fish sticks SUCK !!!
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

tys' should only tow people, boost+towing=cooked trans (unless its an 80E)
 

gkrcr882

SyTyless......for now!
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

The tow rating for the Typhoon is 0. The Typhoon is not designed to tow trailers, and the Syclone has a low tow rating as well. The simple reason is that the transmission will not take the strain of a trailer along with the power of the engine when in boost. Not that it hasn't been done, but it's not reccomended.
 

2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

2kSnakEater said:
what is the max towing capacity that the TY can tow? and how about the Bravada? I just towed my 91 Celica All-Trac (3100lbs) with a car hauler (1000lbs) and the bravada did it wonderfully, the brakes were more than adequate and the only thing that bothered me is that the rear of the the truck was lower than I wanted it to be. Im not surprised thought since the Bravada does have 210k miles on it.

Got a weight distributing hitch on that setup? I hear they work wonders. Also some helper bags would work well for leveling that thing out. I'll be towing my Xtreme to S-series nationals with my ZR5, and will have similar weights to deal with. Although I plan to have tranny cooler and temp gauge, helper bags, and a weight distributing hitch by then.

The rest of the towing questions have been covered like a brazillion times. They should come up in a search.
 

2kSnakEater

New member
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

I just searched and found a good thread on that, sorry I didnt search sooner.

Apparently the TY sucks at towing because of the heat the turbo puts out,and the tranny.

So In theory, If an upgraded Radiator was placed in the Ty, and a big tranny cooler, it should help the heat issue. Right?

Also is the SY/TY turbo water and oil cooled or just water or just oil?
 

2kSnakEater

New member
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

My Bravada already has a Corvette Radiator and a 700R4 that is supposed to handle 700hp. looks like I will be keeping the Bravada and maybe putting a Sy/Ty motor in it.
 

poorboy93

Veteran S10 Owner
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

I agree with the guy below. And if it still has the factory load leveler control, they are hard to if not impossible to replace. Plus the tranny problems could occur from heat or wear. And finally, they are not meant to tow anything in the first place. my :2cents:
 

2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

Larger radiator on the Charge Air Cooler is a better thought.

I don't care how much power your 700R4 is supposed to take. Put it in a Sy/TY, and it will be broken. Not many other motors make 500+ft/lbs in semi-stock condition. Couple that with AWD, and it will kill the trans. There are a select few builders who understand the true level of abuse that the trans takes in a Sy/Ty setup. Go ask the SIlverado SS guys that are making good power what they think of the 4L60E, and you'll get the same answer. Torque+AWD=broken trans in short order.

If you really want to tow. Here are my thoughts. You milage may vary, and I express no warranties neither expressed nor implied.

Get a more effecient turbo (This doesn't mean larger, just more effecient), or turn the boost down a bit. Long times in boost lead to hot inlet air temps, and that leads to detonation, and of course that will break your motor in short order......Replace the POS 700R4 with a 4L80E. This is spendy, but you know it will hold, and that won't be a concern anymore. Get some rear helper air-bags. There are a few kits available for the 1G S10 Blazer. The rear suspension on the Ty is the same as those, negating the generally frowned upon airshocks, and ride levelling system.

The BIGGEST concern I would have is spending a ton of time in boost, and the tranny temps in general. Stock trucks break transmissions all the time, as well as motors if you don't keep an eagle eye on them. In the end you'll have a ton of cash into converting your nice new sport-truck into a tow-pig. Keep the bravada, and throw a 5.7L Vortec 350 in it, with a 4L80E behind it, and tow away. Get a Typhoon for the stop-light warrior, and cruiser that it is. Making a Typhoon a good tow vehicle is like trying to kill an elephant with a fly-swatter.....You can do it, but in the end there are a ton better ways to get it done!
 

2kSnakEater

New member
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

Thanks guys, and thank you 2kwik4u. Looks like I wil be keeping the Bravada indefenetly. I would love to have a Ty but then I would be collecting a car/truck that I would not need. looks like I will be a lurker, not an owner :(
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

I think the better question is, how can I tow my SyTy with an Alltrac? SyTy are usually the tow'ee not the tow'er.
 

2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

2kSnakEater said:
Thanks guys, and thank you 2kwik4u. Looks like I wil be keeping the Bravada indefenetly. I would love to have a Ty but then I would be collecting a car/truck that I would not need. looks like I will be a lurker, not an owner :(

Enjoy the Lurker status :D.....I've been one for upwards of 7 years now. I've managed to get lucky, and get in with a group of guys that let me drive/wrench/play with thier trucks on a regular basis. Goodhue is on the right track as well......The Sy/Ty is typically the one on the trailer not the one doing the towing. With the right mods, you can make it happen, but it will take some carefull planning, some time, and a fistfull of cashola. In the end, I think you'll be just as happy with the bravada as a tow vehicle.

The all-trac will do you good, and when you're ready to go fast on street tires, you can drop that LS1 (or those pesky toyota's) and get on the Turbo+AWD+SUV bandwagon :D :D
 

2kSnakEater

New member
Re: SY/TY/BRAVADA Towing ??

no I dont believe so, is he on all-trac.net or CelicaTech? I would probably know him more by his screen name instead of his real name. Is he local here in Florida?
 
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