I think Im at a crossroads with TY

[TYTILIDIE]

I was out "tuning" today and realized something. I am having little to no luck with what I have to work with. Basically Im tired of having crap for top end and one day beating Cobra's next getting raped by them. It seems like the worlkd is moving ahead while I am standing still. For whatever reason I am becoming ridiculously competitive on the street(mentally) and just want to be the best I can be. My mentality up to this point has been to see how far I can go with minor mods. Im just not getting there. I do have plans to start acquiring all the things I need to start chipping. But then as I look at some board memebers sigs, it seems you have to work super hard to get good times out of what I currently have. I want to do it a little easier and I am not sure if I should be a warrior and stay with what I have and out-do the big boys with little stuff or just bite the bullet, get a pt60kit, 50's and a custom chip. I read a bunch of the tuning threads today and have to admit, I was absolutely lost reading it all and it doesnt sound like fun starting from nothing. I want my truck in the 11's damn it. I was watching a video from last year at the track and I raced an 11 sec Mustang. This car had a cage and the whole 9 yards. It seemed kinda ridiculous to me that this thing looked like a full blown race car and ran an 11. There are people on the local forums here who make it sound like running in the 11's is cake. I guess thats where I want to be. BTW, seeing me race an 11 sec car was insane, it barely looks like Im racing. Dont know what to do. Anyone have any advice?

 

[NecroWolf]

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Go big or go home. break your motor, it's a good excuse to do a nice round of upgrades, that's what i did, well minus the upgrades right now, i'm shopping for goodies

 

[Black Knight]

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Have you looked into a ALKY kit yet? I hear they are the rage right now and all the kids are talkin about them!! No seriously i'm at the exact same place you are, keep messing around with all the little stuff slowly but surely creeping every bit faster or just yank the motor and go for the gold. The only thing weighing on my mind is the bill because you and I know its gonna be higher then we estimate. Especially when we factor in that 4L80E that you know we are going to NEED. Anyway tell me what you come up with, I also would like a truck that had enough nuts to race race from a roll and not come up short.....

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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Time to sell and buy a terminator

 

[gjp]

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you have to remeber 2 things. these are trucks and they are 15 years old. I have seen guys claim 11's and they showed me time slips to prove it. I had a 40k roush mustang. It was a stage 3 supercharged with 450hp. It was fast. I would smoke those so called 11 second guys. Was my car faster or were they full of it. On the street those 11 second track cars are now high 12's. If you got the Ty to race then yes you picked the wrong car, oh I mean truck. yes they are fast,but are not race machines. Its like having a 67 camaro. They are not made to race. All that HP nets you 12's in most cases. 1/2 the cash in a 88 mustang will get you better times, but no style.
It takes a lot of TLC to keep our trucks pulling good times. Look at Don W. he is in the low 13's on just a few mods, but he is there every week with those times.
Looking at your mods you have a 10k car with 3k in mods. Those 11 second cars have way more into them. My truck is almost where my stang was with 20k less in cost. You gota spend the cash or step off the racing. Remember you are racing a SUV. and for a SUV it kicks ass. from your post you do something most ty owners dont, You enjoy your truck. Just remember if you sell it you cant put "never raced" on the sales add.

 

[QUICK STORM]

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bite the bullet and get the correct stuff to tune your truck

 

[SY2455]

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bite the bullet and get the correct stuff to tune your truck

:tup: What he said, because that where I'm at too.

 

[James Thomas]

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Mike you have been around a while and you know these trucks and the scene, especialy on the street :lol: . You have basicly anwsered your own question, only thing is...... are you going to do anything about it? Look I am going to be honest with you and tell you a few things you already know. Keeping up with the Jones's ain't cheap (or easy) :roll: . Set your goal whatever that may be, stay focused and work toward it. You can have a completly streetable and extreemly reliable high 11 to low 12 sec. SyTy that won't kill your budget with good maintenance and a level head. Most of these trucks are or were abused or not maintained or both. Yes they have some weak spots but in general I feel that a lot of the failures and being broken all the time stem from this.

I.M.O., 90 percent of all wasted money and engine damage is from:
1. Buying the wrong parts trying to copy someone else's combo and not knowing the "real deal" or being a "Jegs credit card whore" at 1:00 am and not having a clue what you are buying other than "well, most of the guys have one of those" :squint: .
2. Trying to build an engine on the way cheap cheap or doing the "power mods" but not having the system support for said mod, I.E. big turbo and no fuel system etc.
3. Having a decent build but no common sense (BTW very easy to do with N.O.S. or boost)), I.E. the "just a little bit more" syndrome :rant: .
PLAN YOUR WORK & WORK YOUR PLAN, WEAR BLINDERS AND DON"T GET CAUGHT IN THE "BUT HE'S GOT A __________ SO I NEED TO CHANGE" TRAP!

Tuning and combo: Depends on what you want and how you wanna get there. It's cheaper to drop weight than buy H.P. as we all know and the bling parts really add up (been there and wrecked that!) I personally am at a stage in my life that I don't really care about chrome, SS braid, AN fittings, polished and all that jazz. Functional, quick, subtle / low key and fair price in that order (notice I said fair not cheap, the PepBoys stuff has it's place on every car and you should know where those places are ) are where its at for me, ever hear the old biker saying "chrome don't get ya home :tup:? Tuning is not fast or easy. Ask for help and don't be shy, in fact I highly recommend contacting Nolan, Phil or the other known tuner's to get a combo recomendation and at least a base tune to get started.

One of the most frustrating things in the world is to try to do somthing cold turkey with no knowledge or support and to wast time, money / parts and have little or no gain to show for it. Contact Nolan if you want a proven combo and tune for a high 11 low 12 sec. daily driver Ty, then you can learn as you go and it will grow with you instead of break you!

The above is my :2cents: , nothing more or less. Do the mods, just plan it and be smarter than the the "broke or broken Jones's".

_______________
James

 

[ThaJokr]

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Its just a desicion you have to make to cross that barrier and getting a full build. I was at that stage a year ago but couldn't do it since the Sy was my DD. So I sold the Sy and picked up the vette as the DD. Now I'm hoping to pick up a cheap truck within the next year and slowly start something together that can compete with the big boys. If you already have a DD then I say go for it, theres a ton of recipes out there to get your truck where you want it. It sure sounds like you want to cross that line too, especially with all the racing you do.

 

[QUICK STORM]

Re: I think Im at a crossroads with TY

he'll need a 4l80e as well

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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Wow, you guys are awsome. I gave my wife the sob story when she got home and she started yelling at me cause I spend all this money on it this year and shes always "letting" (ppssshhh) me spend money on it when I need it. I just spent $200 on a chip with 40's with not a whole lot of luck. Its an ATR chip but none the less she is right. After some serious thinking and reading these posts, Ive decided Im going to buy all the tuning equip. and get to work. My wife gave me til June to get into the 12's. She also said that since I am usually such a fast learner that maybe I can burn chips on the side for people here and there. Not a bad idea I guess. I appreciate everyones thoughts and replies, one of the reasons why I started off small(like with a 20g) is because I want to take small steps til I get really good and then get the big turbo. I suppose if I can get into the low 12's on what I got maybe I can get into the high tens with something else. Think Ill just stay with elevens as my long term goal for now.

 

[dgoodhue]

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Most vehicle running 11's use a bigger turbo, than a a 20g. Addin on that your in CO and you have Typhoon, makes it pretty difficult to run 11's with your part. It also seems like you drive your Ty alot which, so wearing out items (like ignition components out) On the flip side, you should be able to tune your truck with its current parts to run solid 12's (through chipping burning and/or fixing scan tool issue).

 

[Jer]

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Dude, if your goal is a street racer you have one. Period. That full caged car that ran 11's at the track runs 13's on the street. A Ty that runs 11's on the track will run 11's on the street all day long regardless of surface condition. Stick with your Ty. You're too deep into it now and we both know you won't find a better platform if your goal is street racing.

Personally, I would go Alky injection (as I've been telling you for what seems like years now), bigger turbo, A2A and a few other supporting mods w/alky injection being something you need to do FIRST and add the others as the budget (read: wife) allows and get good at tuning all that. I never had a chance to get into the tuning portion of the mods on my Ty but you and I BOTK know that truck had WAY more in it than the low 12 it ran. Tuning woulda easily made it an 11 second truck at high elevation or a solid low 11 second truck at Nationals. (Hehe)

You know what you need to do... now just do it and quitcher cryin'!

One last thing: No matter how fast your vehicle is there will ALWAYS be one faster out there. You can't win them all but try not to dwell on the one you lost and enjoy ALL the ones you smoted along the way.

 

[It's just a six]

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How much boost are you running?

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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Yeah I hear ya.Ive been trying to stay away from ALKY as some of the older tuners around here I talk to say its more of a band aid and isnt needed if you get everything in perfect working order. How true that is I dontknow. Guess Ill look into it if it comes down to it. I know however thfat on what is currently sitting in my truck I know I can break into the 11's with tuning. I run 13.2 on DM with very low o2's in the top end starting at about 50mph. Replacing that fuel would almost surely get me there, lowering 8* of KR at the same time ofcourse. I hope noone thinks I was thinking about selling my truck, thats the last thing I would do. I just wsnat things to be easy. I already have my buying schedule for the chipping stuff. Im going to get the Ostrich first, probably in about a month. Then the following month I will get the other stuff. Then the WBo2. Then Ill do it all at once I guess.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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How much boost are you running?

Heres how it used to run:
19psi
4* MAX KR
o2's 870-910 @ WOT
148* IAT's
88% INJ DC

This was with Lucas disc type INJ's and the Ultimate set at T1-20psi. FP was at 60 psi.

Heres what Ive had to regress to:
15psi
6* MAX KR
o2's 910-970 @ WOT
140* IAT's
110% INJ DC

This is with stock INJ's and stock chip. FP set at 50 psi with VAC line off.

Now on 19 PSI, that was the best run I could ever get out of it. Ever since its looked more like this:
19 psi
8-9* MAX KR
o2's 600-730 @ WOT
168* IAT's
70-80% INJ DC

That was on the disc INJ's and Ultimate on t1 - 20 psi.

 

[gjp]

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what werew the outside temps on those runs? your KR is comming from the high iat's and the lean condition. I think alky is not a bandaid. Its a tunning aide and octane booster. The alky will get ride of not only your high ait's but help in the lean problem too. 8* is way too much. Jer hit in dead on. You wont find a better street racer for the price. Just stick with it. I did and now I got a fast truck.

 

[Jer]

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Yeah I hear ya.Ive been trying to stay away from ALKY as some of the older tuners around here I talk to say its more of a band aid and isnt needed if you get everything in perfect working order. How true that is I dontknow. Guess Ill look into it if it comes down to it. I know however thfat on what is currently sitting in my truck I know I can break into the 11's with tuning. I run 13.2 on DM with very low o2's in the top end starting at about 50mph. Replacing that fuel would almost surely get me there, lowering 8* of KR at the same time ofcourse. I hope noone thinks I was thinking about selling my truck, thats the last thing I would do. I just wsnat things to be easy. I already have my buying schedule for the chipping stuff. Im going to get the Ostrich first, probably in about a month. Then the following month I will get the other stuff. Then the WBo2. Then Ill do it all at once I guess.

Old rodders that don't KNOW call it a band aid fix. Used in conjunction with proper tuning you can get benefits from alky injection that you just can't get no matter how much tuning you do or how much fuel you dump in. Period. Why spend a small fortune on a 'proper fuel system' when the fuel system you have in place is plenty adequate for your goals by supplementing a secondary fuel that also gives you further benefits AND only costs ~$500 to install?

Keep in mind that it's these same 'older tuners' that chant the mantra 'There's no replacement for displacement.' How many of those guys running HUGE V8's have you spanked in your little 4.3L V6?? So why do you listen to anything they say?

*sighs* I'll never understand why so many people fear change for the better and newer ideas that could make life easier/better.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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Actually the people who have told me this were people that are deep into the turbo world. One guy owns a shop here and has an 11 sec VR4. Its ugly but have to say it is pretty damn fast. I probably will go wqith the alky. I want to get it as good as can be w/o it first. I think Ild rather go as far as I can go for now with the chipping thing and then go ALKY. Or is it opposite?

 

[gjp]

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you would have to redo setup for the alky. it will change how you fuel the engine.