Re: Hu Ryde
James, I know I said I wasnt going to discuss this further, however since you took the time to write such a lengthy reply, I will at least comment on a few points but I will keep it brief.
James Thomas said:
This is now a member / group public problem so I must decline any personal messages because this is and needs to be resolved in public. That being said, I know that I am fairly new here and at the risk of making this worse, which is not my intention but I do find this most disturbing as most other members should also. I have been "lurking" for several months before I decided to actually join in and contribute because many of the other fourms ARE very one sided / narrow minded. I think all parties here should remember that this fourm does not belong to any one person. If I am incorrect please inform me so I can respond accordingly.
You are actually incorrect, this site does belong and is owned by one person. However I am not that person but one of the other Administrators is. For years he paid for and managed this forum mostly on his own, with help coming from various members as it does today. Although people have made donations over the years, it wasnt until this past spring, we as a community pulled together and raised money to not only move to a better server, but also upgrade to a better forum software which would enable up to grow and expand, which it has. I think it has been made quite clear in the past that anyone who donated to help us get over those initial costs up upgrading are greatly appreciated and we've tried to give as many "perks" as we can to show that.
As a business owner in the custom market for many years both auto and cycle, custom & high performance, I think there is some tension on this fourm as to vendors and not completly a bogus claim on Hy Ryde's part. That is all I will say on that. I have been considering becoming a "donating" member but I fell that I need to see how this is going to play out before doing so. As a moderator you of all people should understand that airing an opinion, question, claim or even an accusation is the right of all people and should be. It's what our country was and is founded on! You say that you let the accusation "slide" because in your opinion it was not true. Ok fair enough, people are entitled to their opinion and should be... right or wrong and as you agreed nothing harmful even if it was eight pages of drama. Then you say it was childish for him to delete you from his site and a slap in the face.
Well unless I missed something that Jesse wrote, I was not able to find any claims made by Jesse to be true. I saw now hard evidence, links, quotes or otherwise that lead me to believe something "fishy" was going on.
As far as getting into the political discussion of opinions, questions, claims, ect and "what our country was and founded on" all I can say is this. This forum is NOT a democracy. This is an internet forum, publicly viewed, but privately owned and althougth the owner and the server both reside in the US, we have many international members who view this site as well from Canada, Brazil, Japan, Germany, Sweden and everywhere inbetween. Sure, the 1st Amendment might guarantee those of us in the US the right to freedom of speeh, but we're all not in the US....... we're nowhere, we're everywhere, we're on the internet, the same rules don't apply here.
Hmm.... I think both of you need to work this out for other reasons than anything personal which I don't think I need to go into here. Also let me remind you that one key thing you acknowledge seems to be slipping, the fact that he deleted anyone from "his site" is IMO, yes uncalled for but it "is his site". Now as to the being childish here for deleting / banning, who is the bigger child, you or him? My opinion, both of you are tied for first place. Who is going to be the bigger man here and step up to the plate and make it right first?
Well unfortunately there is not really much to work out. He took it upon himself to alienate himself in the first placeand what false information he was given to spark his interest in coming back here and creating chaos I do not know and its not really my job to go find out. Perhaps if he we to contact someone privately first, this all could have been resolved in a more mature fashion as you say.
As for your opinion on me being childish, thats fine, youre intitled to it, however my actions were not a direct result of his deleting peoples accounts, it was to protect this forum from any future outbursts that would further push more people away. This thread is a direct example of what we do NOT want to see go on over and over and over again, which is why one of the moderators moved the original post made by Fern. It's obviously however that this isnt going to get resolved with the push of a button.
On the matter of making things right... im not sure what option he has to make things right. Although he can promise not to cast his bullshit accusations without getting the correct information first, he cannot un-delete people accounts, replace lost information and undo all the havoc he has now created over here.
If I offer an opinion and some one doesn't like it then so be it but I have that right, just as if someone offers their opinion to me and I don't like it...... take it with a grain of salt... or not. As long as their is no foul language, threat of illegal act etc. then why would deleting and banning be required? It should not be done....period! Start a drama fourm and move there, if you want to read the drama then feel free do so. If not, then don't. Personally. I would rather spend the time on the For Sale list :2cents:
Banning has many purposes, im not gonna get into a discussion on it at this time.
Yes, everyone comes from different backgrounds and cultures and everyone has different opinions, theres no way around that. I personally dont "get along" with a few members on here, we have our words from time to time, but in all honestly I would have no problem lending a hand or helping solve a problem with any of them. They might not feel the same way but thats fine, either way we all get on with our lives and do what we gotta do.
As to not commenting on this any more... you should! Publicly you need to air this, settle this and finish this problem in the correct and adult manor.
No, I do not need to comment on this anymore, the problem has been corrected and it was done however it could be resolved with the least amount of drama being poured onto this forum.
This is the reason for my post:
1. Hu Ryde has the right to ask the questions and leave opinions as long as "legal / language" issues are not involved.... right or wrong.
Yes, however there is a certain point in which the spewing of incorrect information and accusations will no longer be tollerated.
2. All Admins / Mods have the RESPONSIBILITY to the GROUP to anwser questions and respond to opinions in a professional manor. If one of you does not wish to do so then why do you want to have the position / RESPONSIBILITY.
Moderators in there to keep the forum in order, which includes moving, removing, spliting, and merging threads as they see fit to the best of their ability. As for answering questions, if they have the answer and wish to do so, there is nothing stoping them, however there is nothing forcing them either. There is nothing "great" about being a moderator, they are human beings just like anyone else, except they have the added task of taking out some garbage from time to time. Last time I checked, garbage man wasnt high on the list as worlds most desirable jobs. To my knowledge, ALL the moderators on this forum are here because they would like to keep the forum in order and just give back a little in exchange for knowledge received.
3.You and Hu Ryde are both valued knowledgable people and it would be a shame and loss to the group to lose either or both of you. Work it out already!
Im not going anywhere :rotf: and as far as HyRyde goes, he left a long time ago and only recently decided to come back, for whatever reason that may be.
4. As a retired veteran from the U.S. Army who has lived and operated in 12 different countries, I can tell all of you more about CENSORSHIP AND ACTING CHILDISH than any of you would care to hear and I have fought, killed and been wounded for the right
to express my opinion... right or wrong and hope that I won't be "banned" for this this one.
If course you wont be banned, like I stated earlier I was impressed by your lengthy reply and since it was not just one-sided jibberish but infact well thought out, I felt it was only right to reply, despite it now being 2:48am on Christmas. :lol:
5.This is not about taking sides. I think both of you are right and wrong but are having a problem figuring out how to resolve it, but banning, deleting and refusing to talk about it is not the way.
Well, unfortunately like stated earlier, I dont know if he wishes to come back here or not. I personally have no desire to rejoin his forum and I know for a fact he has no way to take back what he has already chosen to do.
but that makes it the groups choice not any one single person or Mod.
nope, not here it doesnt
At the very least, ANY BANNING OF MEMBERS OR REPLACMENT OF MODS should be put to a group vote. And that's the way it should be.
again, not gonna happen. If anything, the banning of any members would only be put to a vote among the Moderators/Admin, not public.
