How make Promgrammer map scales on Sprk table correct?

[Bob H]

Hi guys,
I can not seem to find right term to use for search on how to correct the map values in the Main spark table or BPW multiplyer vrs Map tables. May be more but haven't looked yet. This is Prom. 01 vrs 2.1 I bought approx a year ago and can't use because am using 58 on a 256k prom. I use a special TC 58X tdf he made for me to modify my bins.
I had to compair one of my bins to stock BBZB bin so converted back to 128, compared and exported comparison as text. Noticed prob with maps when reveiwing data.

The maps scale from 45-285 on timing and 135-285 on BPW mult. Is this 3-bar scales? Am running stock 2-bar map. TC displays correctly I assume at 30-190KPA timing and 90-190 on BPW mult. I tried several stock bins and did same.

Is there any way to fix these tables?

Thanks for any advice.

 

[BillC]

Your post is a little confusing, so I need to ask some questions for clarification:

"TC"? Do you mean TunerCat?

"special TC 58X tdf he made for me"? Do you mean the guy who writes TunerCat? Or, some other guy who can write TunerCat definition files? Because, the way that paragraph is written, it sounds like you got that tdf from the guy who wrote Promgrammer01 (a.k.a, me), which didn't happen.

"converted back to 128"? How did you do this? Did you pull the correct bin (the one in the upper location)?

Promgrammer (in all its various versions) is designed to work only on the stock-sized bin. So, you can't use it directly on a double-sized chip. However, there is no magic involved with using a larger chip -- you just need to put the bin where the ECM can find it. The program is only 128k long, so to use it in a larger chip, you just burn it into the top-most location (the ECM reads from the top down, not bottom up). Or, you can just double-up the bin (concatenate it with itself) and then just burn the doubled version to the chip (this is what most people do).

One way to double-up the bin is to go to a DOS window and type copy /B <source> + <source> <destination>, where <source> is the name of your edited bin file and <destination> is the new name of the doubled-up file. Or, you can use a hex editor to append the bin to itself.

As far as 2-bar/3-bar scaling goes, Promgrammer does this automatically by actually checking the code in the bin. There is no "fix" for those tables. If you are absolutely certain you are using a 2-bar MAP sensor, but Promgrammer is telling you it's a 3-bar bin (look in the title bar at the top of the window to be sure), then there is something wrong with the code in your bin. If that's the case, you might want to consider starting over with a stock bin and modifying the tables to match your current bin (you can use the copy&paste function in P01 to help with this).

BTW, Promgrammer01 is obsolete. It has been replaced with a new version called Promgrammer (without the numerical suffix). If you would like to upgrade, it's $10 (the registration fee of the new program).

 

[Bob H]

Bill,
I am checking stock 1618 BBZB bin and also some others got off internet. All are stock 128k size. I realize your program doesn't work on 58 loaded on a 256k (at 4000). That is why said couldn't use your program. TC is Tuner Cat and use a 58X tdf file for modifying my 256K bins.

I thought originally could choose 1 or 2 bar setting but may have updated Promgrammer. Don't remember map scaling being wrong but may not have happened to look at tables. I have experimented with trying to compare two 256K bins just to see if got any usable info but no good. Could this have changed some setting in the program? I only use Promgrammer to locate what addresses do what in stock 128K 58 bins.

To convert back to 128, just copy address 4000-7FFF back to 0000-3FFF and save as a 27C128. These will run in 7749 in either configuration.

Sorry so late responding but lost phone service last Tues. and just got back.

Also window says 1 and 2 bar maps at top.

Bob

 

[Bob H]

A little more info.

I found a Promgrammer Zip file containing a prom.jar file. I assume this is newer version as showed Promgrammer vers 1.0 instead of Prom 01 vers 2.1. I tried this and it reads my bins correctly showing 2-bar scaling in SA table.

Deleted p01.jar and p01 properties files and copied back from last years backup. P01.jar still shows 3-bar scaling while prom.jar shows correct 2-bar (30-190KPA).

I don't want to buy prom.jar or use because has lost space on main display with "Notes" section. P01 does everything I can use it for (finding addresses and comparing for export to text).

I checked the DIY for a new copy of P01 but no luck.

Is this something in the registry doing this?

Any other thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob

 

[dgoodhue]

I don't want to buy prom.jar or use because has lost space on main display with "Notes" section. P01 does everything I can use it for (finding addresses and comparing for export to text).

Your not buying the program, your paying the registration fee which you should have paid previously. Bill decided to not release the newest version because almost no one was paying the registration fee's.

"This program is shareware. If you try it and don't like it, please delete all copies from your computer(s). If you like it and continue to use it, please register it. The registration fees are $10 for non-commercial use (defined as: you don't sell, or otherwise make money from, any chips you make using it) and $50 for commercial use. Your registration fees will be used to support and upgrade this program, so please help your SyTy community by registering."

[rant]Bill spent many hours developing this program (and not to single you out as their are meny other) for syty comunity. He isn't getting rich off this and I imagine he would have made many times more money if he spent his time working at McDonald flipping burgers rather than helping us out.[/rant]

 

[BillC]

I found a Promgrammer Zip file containing a prom.jar file. I assume this is newer version as showed Promgrammer vers 1.0 instead of Prom 01 vers 2.1. I tried this and it reads my bins correctly showing 2-bar scaling in SA table.

Promgrammer is the latest rendition. Nice to hear that it is working correctly. Version 1.0 was posted for download, but later versions are only available to registered users (see Dave's note above for explanation why -- Thanks, Dave, for the kind words ).

Deleted p01.jar and p01 properties files and copied back from last years backup. P01.jar still shows 3-bar scaling while prom.jar shows correct 2-bar (30-190KPA).

I don't remember which version of P01 had which features, but look at the menu bar at the top of the window. One of the menu items should let you change from 3-bar to 2-bar scaling -- When I first added the 3-bar stuff, you originally had to pick the desired scaling from the menu. At some point later, I made it automatic (but don't remember which version).

I don't want to buy prom.jar or use because has lost space on main display with "Notes" section. P01 does everything I can use it for (finding addresses and comparing for export to text).

If you want to keep using P01, go right ahead, no problem with that.

However, in Promgrammer, the bar that separates the main display from the Notes section is movable. You can just drag the separator bar down to expand the main display and shrink the Notes area.

Also, if you have room on your computer screen, you can make the window larger by dragging on the outside border -- it will show more lines in the main window (works for both P01 and Promgrammer).

I checked the DIY for a new copy of P01 but no luck.

P01 has been superceded, and is no longer supported beyond answering questions. Since you registered P01, you already have the latest version produced before everything was replaced by Promgrammer. Unfortunately, I won't be able to go back and fix the bug you found in P01.

 

[Bob H]

Dgoodhue and Bill,
Thats why I said bought in my first post. I do NOT believe in something for nothing and appreciate the extended effort put into the development of Promgrammer. This is by far the best tuner I have seen for a bin. Only wish had same for the 8Ds. When I paid (registered this) after downloading, I had just started trying to learn prom tuning and didn't even know how to use it. I figured would pay first and then learn. I asked Bill shortly after when found could not use SYTY memcal about reading 58 on a 256K prom. He said couldn't do. I then contacted Tuner Cat and he made me a TDF to read the 29C256 proms from Craig Moates.

I am using a laptop to tune with and space is limited. I resized the notes to bottom but is still in thye way. Program uses full screen. Not a big deal just asked.

I haven't and don't intend to use the newer program unless I pay first. I figured the money part is no big deal and well worth it but since I can't use it for anything except what addresses the tables are at and sending my bin table info to someone for help, why buy new one.

Bill, thanks for the feedback. I also checked top tools or whatever for the old 2-3 bar choice but is not there. I just thought something has changed in program. I am going to search back through my backups to when first acquired and try to locate if you sent me updates, or original install program. Maybe that will help.

Thanks again Bill and you have done a heck of a job for the SYTY comunity. Almost wish I still had my 93 TY.

Bob H

 

[BillC]

Hey guys,
Bob DID register P01, so he is good to go. Couldn't check earlier, because I was at work and all that info is at home.

Bob,
If you use the copy command I listed above, you can use P01 for your regular editing as well (if you feel like). Keep one stock-sized (128Kb, or 16KB) bin as your "editing" bin, and use the copy command to double it into a new file to burn to your chip. Everytime you need to edit the bin, change the "editing" bin and then just re-double it (re-run the copy command) and burn the new doubled file to the chip. It may not be quite as convenient as using your custom tdf in TunerCat, but it's only one extra step and fairly simple.

 

[Bob H]

Bill,

I guess I got problem solved. Went back to a 4/23/02 backup I had after originaly installing Promgrammer and copied P01.jar back to folder.(deleted vrs 2.1) Original P01 is vers 2.02 and is now showing choice of 2 or 3 bar maps. Everything seems to read correctly now. Must be when upgraded to auto map select vers, it messed up and just haven't happen to use it until now for a comparison.

Thanks for the words of wisdom.

Bob