HOOVER timeslips
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ghettosled
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yeh that intercooler setup is actually a very efficient design, and coupled with only 22 psi, i bet it barely even see triple digits at the end of a run. Once someone steps up with some competition for you guys i'm sure you'll be able to use the datalog to bring in more boost just as the tires start to grab.
We just went 8.30s on the 275 radials, and the car lifts the tires about 2-3" till it gets about 100 ft out then we slam the gates with another 14psi and it pulls the front end up about 6-8". Its amazing how much power those tires will hold if you plant the suspension right.
yeh that intercooler setup is actually a very efficient design, and coupled with only 22 psi, i bet it barely even see triple digits at the end of a run. Once someone steps up with some competition for you guys i'm sure you'll be able to use the datalog to bring in more boost just as the tires start to grab.
We just went 8.30s on the 275 radials, and the car lifts the tires about 2-3" till it gets about 100 ft out then we slam the gates with another 14psi and it pulls the front end up about 6-8". Its amazing how much power those tires will hold if you plant the suspension right.
ghettosled
SYTY SUPERSTORE
Re: HOOVER timeslips
nah this was with a buddies car i have been helping with. My truck just sits in the garage w/ no time to work on it. We may be getting close on mine though, as i pulled the motor and plan to bolt it to the engine dyno this week for some power pulls.
hey and dont forget it was an 8.30 not a 9.30
nah this was with a buddies car i have been helping with. My truck just sits in the garage w/ no time to work on it. We may be getting close on mine though, as i pulled the motor and plan to bolt it to the engine dyno this week for some power pulls.
hey and dont forget it was an 8.30 not a 9.30
mhoover
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Re: HOOVER timeslips
ed i dont know that we'll ever get that quick. that would take perfect conditions and me drivin it perfectly straight, hittin the gears just rite, and the sun n moon lining up just rite and.....
i think we can get sum 9.30s but i dont know bout 8.90s? if we do i'll be very shocked! i know we have the HP but, as you know, the AWD will be our hurdle. ive been wrong b4 though!!!
MATT
ed hess said:
ed i dont know that we'll ever get that quick. that would take perfect conditions and me drivin it perfectly straight, hittin the gears just rite, and the sun n moon lining up just rite and.....
i think we can get sum 9.30s but i dont know bout 8.90s? if we do i'll be very shocked! i know we have the HP but, as you know, the AWD will be our hurdle. ive been wrong b4 though!!!
MATT
Nova67ss
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Re: HOOVER timeslips
Matt this wrighting may get you mad BUT Please read it and try to understand that I dont get my math right for the moment. no disrespect. And I just wants to learn things out to bee a better engine mekanic.
Matt Hoovers timeslips story
2years ago.
21/8 -03 60` 1.549 1/8 6.359 @ 112,68 1/4 9.897 @ 137
Next slip is from the year -05 This is awesome runs, fast and would demands around 986Hp on the crank to do the fastest ETrun this day..
7/6 -05 60´ 1.524 1/8 6.316 @ 115.47 1/4 9.730 @ 143.11
17/9 -05 60´ 1.433 1/8 6.363 @ 113.95 1/4 9.803 @ 141.97
17/9 -05 60´ 1.473 1/8 6.325 @ 116.14 1/4 9.696 @ 145.22
17/9 -05 60´ 1.417 1/8 6.240 @ 117.30 1/4 9.572 @ 146.53
And then this incredible run…
13/10 -05 60´ 1.364 1/8 5.803 @ 121.90 1/4 9.035 @ 150.77
But where did you find that extra Hp so fast??
You need around 1172 Hp on the crank to run that low ET and that’s I THINK isto much to find in fiddeling whit boost,timing, slicks, chassie settings ..
If you go 1/4 mile ET times its a differ to almost 200 hp to these ET timeslips.!
If you go 1/4 mile trap speed it’s a differ of about 100 Hp to gain those trapspeeds. !
All to the http://www.smokemup.com site dyno math calculator..
I and Robert is convinsed that he also could reache the 9.5X maybe a 9.4X time on engine and turbo boost.. BUT we think that a 9.0 OR a 8.9X is in the grasp with a shot of 100 hp NOS…
Matt don’t bee mad at ME but this is what I think is happening here..
You have been driving a steady 9,7x truck almost all year and then in this last month gon down to 9.0?!?!?!
that’s to much to fast on to short time… yes Im not at Your location and I can bee wrong
No hard feelings about this I just whants my math to add up right.
Anders.
Matt this wrighting may get you mad BUT Please read it and try to understand that I dont get my math right for the moment. no disrespect. And I just wants to learn things out to bee a better engine mekanic.
Matt Hoovers timeslips story
2years ago.
21/8 -03 60` 1.549 1/8 6.359 @ 112,68 1/4 9.897 @ 137
Next slip is from the year -05 This is awesome runs, fast and would demands around 986Hp on the crank to do the fastest ETrun this day..
7/6 -05 60´ 1.524 1/8 6.316 @ 115.47 1/4 9.730 @ 143.11
17/9 -05 60´ 1.433 1/8 6.363 @ 113.95 1/4 9.803 @ 141.97
17/9 -05 60´ 1.473 1/8 6.325 @ 116.14 1/4 9.696 @ 145.22
17/9 -05 60´ 1.417 1/8 6.240 @ 117.30 1/4 9.572 @ 146.53
And then this incredible run…
13/10 -05 60´ 1.364 1/8 5.803 @ 121.90 1/4 9.035 @ 150.77
But where did you find that extra Hp so fast??
You need around 1172 Hp on the crank to run that low ET and that’s I THINK isto much to find in fiddeling whit boost,timing, slicks, chassie settings ..
If you go 1/4 mile ET times its a differ to almost 200 hp to these ET timeslips.!
If you go 1/4 mile trap speed it’s a differ of about 100 Hp to gain those trapspeeds. !
All to the http://www.smokemup.com site dyno math calculator..
I and Robert is convinsed that he also could reache the 9.5X maybe a 9.4X time on engine and turbo boost.. BUT we think that a 9.0 OR a 8.9X is in the grasp with a shot of 100 hp NOS…
Matt don’t bee mad at ME but this is what I think is happening here..
You have been driving a steady 9,7x truck almost all year and then in this last month gon down to 9.0?!?!?!
that’s to much to fast on to short time… yes Im not at Your location and I can bee wrong
No hard feelings about this I just whants my math to add up right.
Anders.
mhoover
Member
Re: HOOVER timeslips
Anders, no hard feelings at all!
MATT
Anders, no hard feelings at all!
we had the same amount of HP the whole year, we just couldnt get it to the ground. had to adjust the suspension A LOT bc of the HP and change the setting on the boost control so the suspension could handle it. its all trial and error.Nova67ss said:
i think you're pretty close with this number.Nova67ss said:
i think you are wrong here. getting more HP with our truck is a matter of turning up the boost, adjusting the fuel and hoping nothing breaks.Nova67ss said:
yes you are correct. we had the HP at the beginnig of the year but we didnt use it bc we couldnt. after we adjusted the chassis correctly we slowly turned the boost up where we could see how the truck reacted. after a successful run we would add more boost and see how the truck would do again and so on... trial and errorNova67ss said:
im sure you guys can reach 9.50s or 9.40s and i hope you do! however, our truck has NO NITROUS and NEVER WILL! when you have enough air going in the intake and enough fuel to match it you dont need nitrousNova67ss said:
im not mad at all, its ok to question things but again i say you are wrong. and the reason i say that is bc we did it! my dad has been improving the performance of this truck every year since 1999 when we first started racing. our time slips and videos show this. we have heard for several years "thats all your goin to get out of that truck ET wise" obviously there will be a time when that will be the case but so far we've proven that to be wrong. hope ive answered your questions and again no hard feelings! :tup:Nova67ss said:
MATT
Nova67ss
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Re: HOOVER timeslips
Matt, THANKS for your openharted answers.
Hats of to you and your dad, and yes if you already had the power and was ease on it to "fiddle" on chassie to improve grip it starts to counts down in math to
Was back home at Roberts and he showed me the video on that run holy cow, thats an grenading start and IF you could run this run straight you´ve allready turnd an 8 sec pass
Best regards Anders. and its true, If you dont ask questions you´ll never learn anything.
Matt, THANKS for your openharted answers.
Hats of to you and your dad, and yes if you already had the power and was ease on it to "fiddle" on chassie to improve grip it starts to counts down in math to
Was back home at Roberts and he showed me the video on that run holy cow, thats an grenading start and IF you could run this run straight you´ve allready turnd an 8 sec pass
Best regards Anders. and its true, If you dont ask questions you´ll never learn anything.
Re: HOOVER timeslips
what the hell is so wrong with running nitrous??? i'd rather run a little juice and win than be a tea toodler and lose. anything to win. guys are runnin nitrous all over the place to spool turbos. it's about how fast you are, not just how you did it.
jims truck has always had the power, now he has even more and is getting traction. that's how they went from 9 to 8. also, more boost helps. it's now the fastest sy in the world... period. and we all have to get over it or drop 50K bucks and try to keep up. i think it's more interesting that he's doing it with awd than anything about the motors power.
another reason is they cut a hole in the floorboard and matt got new tennis shoes. he's like the little kid now in the movie "the incredibles". did you ever see the size of matts feet. they're worth another 200 horsepower right there...
what the hell is so wrong with running nitrous??? i'd rather run a little juice and win than be a tea toodler and lose. anything to win. guys are runnin nitrous all over the place to spool turbos. it's about how fast you are, not just how you did it.
jims truck has always had the power, now he has even more and is getting traction. that's how they went from 9 to 8. also, more boost helps. it's now the fastest sy in the world... period. and we all have to get over it or drop 50K bucks and try to keep up.
i think it's more interesting that he's doing it with awd than anything about the motors power.another reason is they cut a hole in the floorboard and matt got new tennis shoes. he's like the little kid now in the movie "the incredibles". did you ever see the size of matts feet. they're worth another 200 horsepower right there...
Nova67ss
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Re: HOOVER timeslips
No I´m not against the use off NOZ.. its just when you try to stay ahead or equal to your competitor (this is in the timeslip race) its for me importent to race the same game as your oponent..
its fine by mee to say "yes my car runs 12, 35 on engine and with 150 hp of noz, I hit 10,38"
With this I can help others to find if their combination in engineparts work as planed or not..
If I find my friends with nova and 400 hp engine drives deep into 10 sec runs and I with almost the same just go barely 12 I´ll doing something wrong and might tear down the engine just to try to find some thing wrong.. but IF i knew there was noz involved.. then I´ll go on driving my 12 and have my head high.. but for race... the classes you race in tells if you can use the juice or not
No I´m not against the use off NOZ.. its just when you try to stay ahead or equal to your competitor (this is in the timeslip race) its for me importent to race the same game as your oponent..
its fine by mee to say "yes my car runs 12, 35 on engine and with 150 hp of noz, I hit 10,38"
With this I can help others to find if their combination in engineparts work as planed or not..
If I find my friends with nova and 400 hp engine drives deep into 10 sec runs and I with almost the same just go barely 12 I´ll doing something wrong and might tear down the engine just to try to find some thing wrong.. but IF i knew there was noz involved.. then I´ll go on driving my 12 and have my head high..
but for race... the classes you race in tells if you can use the juice or not Re: HOOVER timeslips
since i know doc and matts car so well i'll try to explain it a little different. you have to see their car and hear it to really understand it. it's a beast. the power is awsome on that oddfire motor. it is not big cubic inches, and it doesn't make power the way most people with syty's expect. it is a high revving motor (obviously... goes through the traps at 8K). they have always had a problem with traction. not only at the line, but they can start it spinnin basically all the way down the track if they want or aren't careful. it's not that the make more power now because in actuality they have had to turn the power DOWN on what it could make because they didn't have enough traction to use what they have. as they have increased the grip they have been able to turn the power up. and the scary part is... they still have more power on tap (gulp) they really don't worry too much about ic temps because they run an ice chest cooler and it keeps the temps down pretty well. i would doubt they go over 110 degrees if even that. i always had trouble with that with my little air to air. was one of the biggest stumbling blocks in my tune. i never changed it cause to me my car was plenty fast enough and i could smoke the tires at will also. they don't have that problem. matts just learning the workings and finer points of the f.a.s.t. system so he's being careful not to say something wrong, but he's learning. they also changed to a tire that has more sidewall than the 315/35 they were running and the car has responded very well to it. with the way matt is staging the car in the lights now he is making a lot of boost at the line very quickly so he will now start getting some much better RT's and they have their boost controller set more aggressively but also are still limiting the boost a great deal. i have seen their f.a.s.t. readings and they scary thing is that they have a long way to go. they don't really have an detonation and the boost is not near grenade status. the oddfire although it's harder to tune, is very strong also.
i would hate to see them throw a little juice on it. that would make it a modified truck. right now they are just running with the factory options of a oddfire motor, 400 trans, 28 step boost controller, slightly reworked rearend and front too, ice chest ic, million horsepower factory motor, and a few other things. other than that... it's almost totally stock.
i did challenge them to a grudge race once. i told them to load their sy in their trailer and hook it to their diesel puller, and i would load mine in my trailer and hook it to my diesel puller and we'd run heads up for who pays for dinner. i couldn't make it happen cause jim was too doubled over laughing to answer, so i claimed victory by default and we all went to dinner and each paid for our own food. so i guess that means i challenged them and they backed down right. (damn am i glad, cause that's the only way i could win. matt can tell you i had a very fast and extremely clean and beautiful truck... but they would rip me a new asshole with the way theirs runs now) "aw... the sweet feeling of victory... my trailers faster than the hoovers... now the story is out. come on matt admit it. i had you scared of my aluminum trailer. i was gonna rig the door so it opened upwards and brace it so i would have a wing which would give me increased down force.... i think they were just scared of me cause they know i like nitrous and figured i had a cheater system on the puller
next year it'll run in the 8's. he's just being polite and modest. his dad is kinda like micheal corleone now. "the more i try getting out the harder they pull me back in" jims not gonna ever give up now that the scent of 8's are in his nostrils...
"the following is written entirely on my own and has no reflection on others known as the Hoovers. now if i could just talk mark into gettin a little teeny weeny bit serious i know where there's another sy just beggin to go in the 9's. i had it almost there and it now has a bigger and better turbo, bigger injectors, and a few other little things. all he has to do is figure out how to quit spinnin the tires at 100 mph and it'll do it EASY... and my other old truck is gonna go 9's next year too if i can talk phillip into gettin some real race tires on it...
since i know doc and matts car so well i'll try to explain it a little different. you have to see their car and hear it to really understand it. it's a beast. the power is awsome on that oddfire motor. it is not big cubic inches, and it doesn't make power the way most people with syty's expect. it is a high revving motor (obviously... goes through the traps at 8K). they have always had a problem with traction. not only at the line, but they can start it spinnin basically all the way down the track if they want or aren't careful. it's not that the make more power now because in actuality they have had to turn the power DOWN on what it could make because they didn't have enough traction to use what they have. as they have increased the grip they have been able to turn the power up. and the scary part is... they still have more power on tap (gulp) they really don't worry too much about ic temps because they run an ice chest cooler and it keeps the temps down pretty well. i would doubt they go over 110 degrees if even that. i always had trouble with that with my little air to air. was one of the biggest stumbling blocks in my tune. i never changed it cause to me my car was plenty fast enough and i could smoke the tires at will also. they don't have that problem. matts just learning the workings and finer points of the f.a.s.t. system so he's being careful not to say something wrong, but he's learning. they also changed to a tire that has more sidewall than the 315/35 they were running and the car has responded very well to it. with the way matt is staging the car in the lights now he is making a lot of boost at the line very quickly so he will now start getting some much better RT's and they have their boost controller set more aggressively but also are still limiting the boost a great deal. i have seen their f.a.s.t. readings and they scary thing is that they have a long way to go. they don't really have an detonation and the boost is not near grenade status. the oddfire although it's harder to tune, is very strong also.
i would hate to see them throw a little juice on it. that would make it a modified truck. right now they are just running with the factory options of a oddfire motor, 400 trans, 28 step boost controller, slightly reworked rearend and front too, ice chest ic, million horsepower factory motor, and a few other things. other than that... it's almost totally stock.
i did challenge them to a grudge race once. i told them to load their sy in their trailer and hook it to their diesel puller, and i would load mine in my trailer and hook it to my diesel puller and we'd run heads up for who pays for dinner. i couldn't make it happen cause jim was too doubled over laughing to answer, so i claimed victory by default and we all went to dinner and each paid for our own food. so i guess that means i challenged them and they backed down right. (damn am i glad, cause that's the only way i could win. matt can tell you i had a very fast and extremely clean and beautiful truck... but they would rip me a new asshole with the way theirs runs now) "aw... the sweet feeling of victory... my trailers faster than the hoovers... now the story is out. come on matt admit it. i had you scared of my aluminum trailer. i was gonna rig the door so it opened upwards and brace it so i would have a wing which would give me increased down force.... i think they were just scared of me cause they know i like nitrous and figured i had a cheater system on the puller
next year it'll run in the 8's. he's just being polite and modest. his dad is kinda like micheal corleone now. "the more i try getting out the harder they pull me back in" jims not gonna ever give up now that the scent of 8's are in his nostrils...
"the following is written entirely on my own and has no reflection on others known as the Hoovers. now if i could just talk mark into gettin a little teeny weeny bit serious i know where there's another sy just beggin to go in the 9's. i had it almost there and it now has a bigger and better turbo, bigger injectors, and a few other little things. all he has to do is figure out how to quit spinnin the tires at 100 mph and it'll do it EASY... and my other old truck is gonna go 9's next year too if i can talk phillip into gettin some real race tires on it...
Nova67ss
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Re: HOOVER timeslips
100in6 Hi to you, I think Matt and his father is doing a great job in "riding that bronco truck" so well, Its just that I´m used to follow Roberts truck and know how hard he´s been fighting the grip on trac..
That kind of "take of" that Matt have shown in this last video (the 9.035 run) is ASTONISHING, I have nevver seen anyting like it.. maybee its alot in the tires? Robert shoose to run the BF drag radial this year (he felt the slicks to bee unsafe running fast in the top end) But then there is the shock to the sidewall that gives the advantitch to the slicks (I think ) because they is built to take some of the shock and let the car launch a bit before the real torq is boosted on ... the drag radial is´nt forgiving in this, to much power in launch and your smokin the run totaly, its just another waisted run...
Thats why its so chocking/fun/jawdropping to see Matt and his jumping twisting and bucking truck thats just stampeed down the 9 sec road....
And Mattis a wery kind man who been realy nice to me and my Questions but then again I DO respect his and his fathers work and effort to make their truck the worlds fastest syclone, as I do respect Roberts intension in the same quest.
Best of all bouth Matt and Robert are nice and friendly guys.
Regards Anders.
100in6 Hi to you, I think Matt and his father is doing a great job in "riding that bronco truck" so well, Its just that I´m used to follow Roberts truck and know how hard he´s been fighting the grip on trac..
That kind of "take of" that Matt have shown in this last video (the 9.035 run) is ASTONISHING, I have nevver seen anyting like it.. maybee its alot in the tires? Robert shoose to run the BF drag radial this year (he felt the slicks to bee unsafe running fast in the top end) But then there is the shock to the sidewall that gives the advantitch to the slicks (I think ) because they is built to take some of the shock and let the car launch a bit before the real torq is boosted on ... the drag radial is´nt forgiving in this, to much power in launch and your smokin the run totaly, its just another waisted run...
Thats why its so chocking/fun/jawdropping to see Matt and his jumping twisting and bucking truck thats just stampeed down the 9 sec road....
And Mattis a wery kind man who been realy nice to me and my Questions
but then again I DO respect his and his fathers work and effort to make their truck the worlds fastest syclone, as I do respect Roberts intension in the same quest.Best of all bouth Matt and Robert are nice and friendly guys.
Regards Anders.
Nova67ss
New member
Re: HOOVER timeslips
Tjena Prosty
Jo visst skjutton har han både kontroll och grepp trotts hjulspinn.. en 60´ 1.364 1/8 5.803 @ 121.90 1/4 9.035 @ 150.77 är ite direkt ur kontroll, men visst går den sidledes dock efter 60`
Sorry guys ansverd Prosty who is a swede on swedeish that Matt did a great 60`and the "side slide" is almost in control and that it seems that the "slide" is more after the 60`
Tjena Prosty
Jo visst skjutton har han både kontroll och grepp trotts hjulspinn.. en 60´ 1.364 1/8 5.803 @ 121.90 1/4 9.035 @ 150.77 är ite direkt ur kontroll, men visst går den sidledes dock efter 60`
Sorry guys ansverd Prosty who is a swede on swedeish that Matt did a great 60`and the "side slide" is almost in control
and that it seems that the "slide" is more after the 60`Re: HOOVER timeslips
I think it looks like a jolt of nos but don't quote me on that one!
Or maybe e85 fuel or something extra to make more power.
It also looks like it's a good run, that you don't stay too long stalling before going efter the light hits green.
That's one thing I think we all could improve
I think it looks like a jolt of nos but don't quote me on that one!
Or maybe e85 fuel or something extra to make more power.
It also looks like it's a good run, that you don't stay too long stalling before going efter the light hits green.
That's one thing I think we all could improve