DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

turboj91

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Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Congrats Dave!!!! Well "done"

I've been a member here for a few years and I don't recall anyone else that

1) went thru a truck as throughly as you did
2) did as much as you did without preforming a full repaint
3) completed the work within the time frame that you did
4) completed the work themselves

Enjoy the miles!
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Thank You everyone for the kudos.

I've been driving it for a few days now. I've had a couple of issues crop up:

I found the misfire, it was a bad #1 plug wire, so I changed them all.
Found and fixed the EGR problem (blocked passage by the 1202 gasket).
Replaced the bad boost control solenoid (never seen one of these bad electrically) so full boost is back.
Installed the holder and wiring for my portable XM receiver.
As time and inclination permit, I'm slowly getting the paint rubbed out by hand. Slow process, but I'm making progress.

As careful as I was reassembling the interior, there are a few rattles that I'm going to have to hunt down and rectify. Not bad, but annoying, because I paid a lot of attention to making things rattle-free, but failed.

All in all, I'm very pleased with the results. It drives and performs like a new truck. No leaks, everything is clean and fresh, and so far I haven't had to call AAA. Thanks again.
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

I've been driving this truck daily for a few weeks. One of the few disappointments has been with several rattles in the interior. I worked really hard to try to avoid them, but there are several that are bad enough I want to find and fix them Today I found the two behind my head in the speaker area, and one in the driver's door that sounded like the lock rod. I didn't take pics, but peeps familiar with Syclones will know what I'm talking about.

The plastic vent in the back side of the door only had one screw in it. It was flapping around, but I didn't think much of it until I saw a mark on the door jamb where its been rubbing. I put a screw in it, and that one is gone.

I took the lower plastic 1/4 trim that holds the speaker out. The wire to the dome light is encased in a foam rubber sleeve supposedly to keep it from rattling. This foam was hard as PVC pipe, probably from the desert heat. It's rattled like crazy. I pulled the wire out, tore the old foam off, wrapped the wire with adhesive insulation foam, and put it back in. I also secured the loose wires in the 1/4 area with duct tape to the sheet metal so they can't flap around.

DesertSy has some aftermarket speakers in the rear locations. The magnets are bigger than the stockers. I'm not sure this was a rattle, but the magnet contacts the sheetmetal. So I put some adhesive foam on the metal where the magnet makes contact.

I have to find the one in the glove box area, behind the dash, and I'm set to run to Reno next week for Thanksgiving. It's running great, and since the oil line fiasco, the hood has remained closed. Its settling in to being a great little truck. Someone should buy it. Make an offer.
 

92TyLA

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and looks good as well!

I was just trying to imagine it with the wheels coated black....
 

DaveP

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I like contrast. The "black wheel" thing is way overdone IMO. Everyone has black wheels. I am anything but a "me-too" kind of guy.

The stupid thing has received more comments and compliments in the month or so I've been driving it than I ever received for any of my other cars. I think its a combination of the stance, the lack of decals, the big tires, and possibly the unusual (on any car), but subtle, color combination. It's a cool little truck. And it goes fast.
 

Jimmy

Banned
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

I like contrast. The "black wheel" thing is way overdone IMO. Everyone has black wheels. I am anything but a "me-too" kind of guy.

The stupid thing has received more comments and compliments in the month or so I've been driving it than I ever received for any of my other cars. I think its a combination of the stance, the lack of decals, the big tires, and possibly the unusual (on any car), but subtle, color combination. It's a cool little truck. And it goes fast.

It's from the CA desert.Its the most rust free truck ever.

Belee Dat.
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

I haven't updated this thread for a couple of years. I've watched Randy Merritt post updates to his truck in his "build thread" and I enjoy reading, so I'll do it too. I've been restoring the broken pic links too. They should all be fixed in a few days. Takes time to fix them.

I've driven DesertSy about 10,000 miles since October 2012 when I finished it. Mostly interstate travels. It hasn't needed a lot, but it hasn't been trouble free either. Mostly jankey replacement parts wearing out prematurely. I enjoy blasting around in it, I beat the crap out of it, and it keeps on ticking.
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I noticed it developed a LOT of slop in the steering over the past thousand miles. It was the outer tie-rod ends. I found this surprising, as in almost 750K miles of S-10 ownership, I've never replaced tie rod ends. They don't go bad on me. These did. Turns out they were installed wrong-way around. The inner were outboard, and vice-versa. I may have installed these backwards, or a previous "tech" did. I don't remember. But the geometry is different, and the outer joints really wore quickly because they were binding because they were installed in the wrong position..

I set the toe-in using string to project the rear wheel track forward, and a tape measure for the toe itself. There was another thread recently about the accuracy of using these methods, vs a 'professional' with laser heads. I don't know, I must have done something right because the steering wheel was perfectly centered on the very first drive, and toe is slightly toe-in, and tracks well. Way good enough for this pile, plus I have to add some negative camber anyway. I drive it hard enough that the outer edges of the tires have worn with 0º Camber. It needs a little negative to improve tire wear. I'll reset the toe when I re-do the camber.

Here's the worse of the two "outers"

IMG_3094_zps09d557f2.jpg


Here's the true "outer" joint. The one with the long shank is on the wheel end of the assembly:

IMG_3096_zps7c1ebfdd.jpg


Here's the inner end. The one with the offset, and the short shank is installed on the relay rod. Not the wheel, like mine was:

IMG_3095_zpsf2572d58.jpg


I also replaced the rear pads today. This truck has Baer kits that were installed in the late 90's. Turns out the rear pads are "413's". Pads have generic numbers, regardless of manufacturer. Paul-Z once told me they were "LT1 brakes" as used on LTx-powered F-car. I also thought they looked like the rear calipers on my C4 Corvettes. We were both right. F and C4 Y car all use 413's on the rear. Same rear brakes. I'm unimpressed with the un-even pad wear. The right outer was down to 10%, the inners were both >75% remaining. Not sure what this is about, but I don't really care. It stops well, I got 10K miles out of the pads, and they weren't new when I began driving it.

Right side:
IMG_3105_zpsd0ad479a.jpg


Left side:
IMG_3101_zps4e4f99dc.jpg


Compare the most worn to the least worn:
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Anyway, that's it for now. DesertSy hasn't needed much since I got it running, and has been very reliable and not needed the services of a flat-bed. The way it should be. Thanks for reading.
 

Jimmy

Banned
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

I haven't updated this thread for a couple of years. I've watched Randy Merritt post updates to his truck in his "build thread" and I enjoy reading, so I'll do it too. I've been restoring the broken pic links too. They should all be fixed in a few days. Takes time to fix them.

I've driven DesertSy about 10,000 miles since October 2012 when I finished it. Mostly interstate travels. It hasn't needed a lot, but it hasn't been trouble free either. Mostly jankey replacement parts wearing out prematurely. I enjoy blasting around in it, I beat the crap out of it, and it keeps on ticking.
``````````````````````````````````````````````````````
I noticed it developed a LOT of slop in the steering over the past thousand miles. It was the outer tie-rod ends. I found this surprising, as in almost 750K miles of S-10 ownership, I've never replaced tie rod ends. They don't go bad on me. These did. Turns out they were installed wrong-way around. The inner were outboard, and vice-versa. I may have installed these backwards, or a previous "tech" did. I don't remember. But the geometry is different, and the outer joints really wore quickly because they were binding because they were installed in the wrong position..

I set the toe-in using string to project the rear wheel track forward, and a tape measure for the toe itself. There was another thread recently about the accuracy of using these methods, vs a 'professional' with laser heads. I don't know, I must have done something right because the steering wheel was perfectly centered on the very first drive, and toe is slightly toe-in, and tracks well. Way good enough for this pile, plus I have to add some negative camber anyway. I drive it hard enough that the outer edges of the tires have worn with 0º Camber. It needs a little negative to improve tire wear. I'll reset the toe when I re-do the camber.

Here's the worse of the two "outers"

IMG_3094_zps09d557f2.jpg


Here's the true "outer" joint. The one with the long shank is on the wheel end of the assembly:

IMG_3096_zps7c1ebfdd.jpg


Here's the inner end. The one with the offset, and the short shank is installed on the relay rod. Not the wheel, like mine was:

IMG_3095_zpsf2572d58.jpg


I also replaced the rear pads today. This truck has Baer kits that were installed in the late 90's. Turns out the rear pads are "413's". Pads have generic numbers, regardless of manufacturer. Paul-Z once told me they were "LT1 brakes" as used on LTx-powered F-car. I also thought they looked like the rear calipers on my C4 Corvettes. We were both right. F and C4 Y car all use 413's on the rear. Same rear brakes. I'm unimpressed with the un-even pad wear. The right outer was down to 10%, the inners were both >75% remaining. Not sure what this is about, but I don't really care. It stops well, I got 10K miles out of the pads, and they weren't new when I began driving it.

Right side:
IMG_3105_zpsd0ad479a.jpg


Left side:
IMG_3101_zps4e4f99dc.jpg


Compare the most worn to the least worn:
IMG_3100_zps8202f1b1.jpg


Anyway, that's it for now. DesertSy hasn't needed much since I got it running, and has been very reliable and not needed the services of a flat-bed. The way it should be. Thanks for reading.

I think it was the truck you needed,and you did everything to it that needed to be done.
 

Adam#0213

This truck is awesome!!
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Dave on your heater core notice it was all aluminum any issues with it the leaking at all? Brand ? Napa didn't have any thing that was near that thickness when I was getting ready to do mine.
 

DaveP

Active member
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Dave on your heater core notice it was all aluminum any issues with it the leaking at all? Brand ?

Read the thread about the heater core. We discuss it pretty well over 5 or 6 posts It's a Spectra, and another guy commented that his wasn't very good. He split his wide open while installing it. Personally, I don't like the Spectra, and will try to get a different brand the next time I need a 1st Gen heater core, but this one is now 2 years old, and has been fine.
 

randy merritt

Donating Member
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It's nice that you have been keeping up with my progress, Dave.

I try to keep a record of my tinkering, pretty much for my own enjoyment. It is nice to look back over the years and see how things have changed in my life. Some of the neater things to look at are the growing up of the kids and the changing landscape of the garage/work area.
 

Z SKI

Donating Member
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Looking good Dave... Its always nice to get little things sorted out.. As for the grossly uneven pad wear, how are your caliper pins looking??

I had a similar issue on the SS until I noticed that one of the pins was slightly bent causing a bind on the caliper so it wouldnt float very well..

I know you probably checked it already but I though I would lend what little knowledge that I have..:tup:

See ya,
 

Fitos

New member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Hi Dave nice to see still driving the truck and keeping it up maybe one day Will finally buy it
 

c0nsilience

Donating Member
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Dave,

This build was inspiring! Thank you for calling my attention to it last week, as I'm just entering the foray into SyTy ownership!
 

DaveP

Active member
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I like updating this thread because if I write something down, I tend to remember it better. All SyTy's are on-going learning experiences for their owners. DesertSy has been no exception. I recently completed a 1,000 mile round trip to Reno and back for a Thanksgiving visit. Some of these things were done in preparation for that trip, some were performed after my return.

I have noticed some front tire edge-wear. I replaced tie rod ends earlier in the year. I decided to re-check the toe, and felt it was toe-out. I added some toe-in. Actually quite a bit. It's now about 3/16" toe-in. I also upped the front tire pressure to 32psi from the 25 I've been running to try to reduce the edge wear and put off buying tires for it. WHAT A DIFFERENCE in the way it drove on this trip. Absolutely delightful. No more 'dartiness' from toe-out, and the increased tire pressure improved the ride. This was a revelation. DesertSy has never been this well-mannered on the highway.

While in Reno I broke off the passenger side door lock button in the 15degF temps. It was brittle anyway, but I wasn't expecting it to just snap off. This part is NLA from GM, and it is different than the driver side I had in my stash. Upon inspection, it looked like the electrical switch itself could be removed from the housing. So I did. It also looked like the same switch that is in the Passenger (single position) Window switch. I had 3 window switches in my stash, so I took one out and extracted the electrical part of it, and yep, it worked in the lock position. No trip to pick-a-part necessary.

While the door panel was off I attacked a VERY annoying rattle this truck has had for years. It is the outside handle rod is loose in the latch and rattles like crazy. While jeffing with it I of course snapped off the plasticrod retainer in the handle, and had to find a replacement in Help! It wasn't the correct one, but I made it work. The rod fit VERY tightly in the bushing. Now it isn't loose, and it doesn't rattle on a quick trip for lunch. Cool. Fixed it anyway after I gave up trying to because I didn't see an easy fix and snapped the retainer, and fixed it by default.

The rear diff pinion seal developed a leak during this trip. There were spots in the grime on the tailgate, and liquid drips under the diff after the trip. It was really leaking. I have done a zillion of these seals, and the leak has always been up the splines and coming from behind the nut. Not the seal itself. Not DesertSy. The nut was dry, and the seal and yoke were untouched OEM original. The seal lip was hard as a rock, hence the leak. One of the few original things on this truck that I didn't address when I built it, and it too finally wore out. I also changed the diff oil which I had never bothered to do.

So there's a few more tid-bits of learning, courtesy of DesertSy.

I drive it pretty much every day, even if it is only to get my evening hamburger. About 6,000 miles a year. It's still a kick to drive, and doesn't require much. Needs about a days-worth of attention a couple of times a year. Not bad.

Thanks for reading.
 

Z SKI

Donating Member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Glad you were able to work on one of your vehicles for once!!

How did she do in the snow?? AWD for the win??
 

DaveP

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How did she do in the snow?? AWD for the win??

AWD is fine. 315's on ice are not fine. I should have taken the Super Duty on its winter tires, I wouldn't have taken an off-highway excursion.

There's an old saying: "You can't steer very well, and you can't stop very well in snow. 4-Wheel drive [AWD] allows you to get going fast enough to find out that you still can't steer, and still can't stop very well in snow." I proved this adage is still true.

The conditions were a bit of fresh snow over a solid buildup of ice from the top of the Bishop Grade to Lee Vining. About 65 miles of shit. Posted 35mph, chains required, "snow tires OK". I have M&S so I was legal.

A bit after Deadman's Summit I was all alone, level road, no obstructions, drop-offs or gaurd rails to hit so I felt safe "experimenting" with the power available at 8,500 feet on a 20deg F day (PLENTY), anti-lock brake behavior in slippery conditions (predictable), and how "loose" the steering is in loose snow over ice with 275 / 315 tires inflated to 35 psi. (Loose!).

I'm not sure what test I was conducting, but I lost it at about 30 MPH and went off towards the center. Hit one of those orange poles that guide the snow-plows. Center-punched it, and wet right over it. Once I was in soft stuff I could steer again, and with AWD powered right back onto the roadway. Then I remembered the lower IC, and stopped on the right shoulder to take a look. No damage. Just a mark on the front bumper.

I took a leak, and got going again. Kept it under 30 MPH and no further excitement. The trip home on Saturday was mostly dry. Only a couple of patches of twitchiness.

It was a good trip. Even with the added excitement I had fun. I always do driving this thing. Pam calls it "the little hot rod" because of the way I zoom around in it.

That's what its for, right?
 

Damian

Member
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DesertSy isn't the best looking truck out there, but I'd still own it. It's great because you just plop your ass in and drive it and it just does what it's supposed to do.
 
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