Cold Start

[ROSEDOGGYDOG]

Has anyone else had this problem?

When its cold out, I'm having a hard time having my truck turn over. Gotta pump it sometimes to get it going, once started runs smooth, can it be the plugs, haven't changed them in awhile.

 

[nick041881]

it doesnt get too cold here, but i have noticed the same thing in the mornings and such. No biggie...it still starts!!!

 

[Methuselah]

Spray some ether (starter spray) into your intake...guaranteed to start unless you have serious ignition problems.


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[ronniejoe80]

If your engine is slow to turn over check the battery draw. What kind of oil are you running. Maybe its a little thick on those cold mornings. Pumping the pedal does nothing. Fuel injection doesnt have an accelerator pump.

 

[Syclone#1992]

I have heard a lot of bad thing about ether {starting fluid} I would not recommend it at all. I know someone who owns a an autoparts place and doesn't even use it to start lawn equipment. I think it was something that is wears away the cylinder walls. If you need to use that something is wrong.

 

[ROSEDOGGYDOG]

On 2001-12-20 07:38, ronniejoe80 wrote:
If your engine is slow to turn over check the battery draw. What kind of oil are you running. Maybe its a little thick on those cold mornings. Pumping the pedal does nothing. Fuel injection doesnt have an accelerator pump.

I run 10-40 oil, as for pumping the pedal, its after I turn the power on, not turning the ignition. I'm going to change my plugs and see what effect that will have (needs to be done anyways). The weather has to be playing a part in this thu, I keep my truck in the garage (still cold in there, but not as cold as outside) and it starts up quicker than outside.

 

[redty]

I too have seen issues in cold weather starting, however I seemed to have remedied mine by doing something very simple. I just pulled the ECM fuses for a few seconds, then put them back in and started her up. After that, the Typhoon seems to have adjusted to what ever it needed and now starts fine in cold weather. In Texas we get a lot of variance on the temperatures, and this little trick seems to work. I have had to do the same thing the first few days of really warm weather, seems to be something set in the Block Learn Mode that just doesn't clear. <Don't fully quote me on that, but just a hunch.>

 

[Methuselah]

Syclone#1992 you have to provide a better explanation for why starter fluid is harmful to the cylinder walls because I dont get it. No detonation is happening cause the engine is cold and at its standard compression state...and I dont understand how one explosion due to air/fuel mixture can be less stressful on the cylinder walls that an ether/air mixture.

Its a proven cold start trick...and is excellent for diagnosing fuel delivery problems....its worked for me at least.
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[Syclone#1992]

Hey, I just want to let you know I don't want to start a fight or disagreement with anyone. I have worked on small engines--lawnmowers ect. Ether works great to start them. It is true that if it doesn't start with ether there is problems.

Here is a couple links I found---

scroll all the way down towards the bottom.

http://www.trucknews.com/motoroilspecguide/features/pm_tips.htm

look for link at top of page
http://fordson.freeweb.nl/qa.htm#3
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Syclone#1992 on 2001-12-20 17:02 ]</font>

 

[Methuselah]

Disagreements are responsible for most of my learning lately. Its only a fight if your rationalization of why I am wrong is that Im a poopyhead or something equally offensive :smile:

As the first URL pointed out, I didnt consider the oil issue....it could be stressful to unlubricated cylinder walls.

I still dont buy what the guy is saying in the second URL...yes ether is highly flammable and dangerous...but I dont know about the cracked pistons. Is it possible that the wavefront created by the ignition of ether can put more stress on the pistons than the high rpm compression/detonation cycle? I dont think so...but maybe you can throw some physics at me to shut me up.
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[ROSEDOGGYDOG]

On 2001-12-20 13:27, redty wrote:
I too have seen issues in cold weather starting, however I seemed to have remedied mine by doing something very simple. I just pulled the ECM fuses for a few seconds, then put them back in and started her up. After that, the Typhoon seems to have adjusted to what ever it needed and now starts fine in cold weather. In Texas we get a lot of variance on the temperatures, and this little trick seems to work. I have had to do the same thing the first few days of really warm weather, seems to be something set in the Block Learn Mode that just doesn't clear. <Don't fully quote me on that, but just a hunch.>

In another post I was on about another subject (voltage) there was talk of the ECM about replacing and rewiring - two different post with a common denominator - here is the other link.
http://www.syty.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=9031&forum=3&10

 

[ROSEDOGGYDOG]

Took it to the dealer this morning, explained the problem (getting worse).

Now being told it is my fuel pump! Thank God for extended warranty's! I would not want to attempt something like that, unless of course it's easy...

 

[E-Rue]

i installed the MSD distributor on my mccoy motor. its starts before it turns over more than once. sometimes it starts faster than i can get off the starter. its way fast, even in the cold (30deg) im sure it would help, but it almost sounds like you have problems you need to address before trying the MSD.

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[ROSEDOGGYDOG]

Yeah, I know. Hopefully the dealer can fix it up right.

Would like to go over to MSD completely. And a YELLOW top Optima Battery - for my applications (stereo, fog lights, ect...)

What is a McCoy motor?

 

[rockvillespeed]

why ether works to start a cold or whatever motor - extreme volatility and ultra low octane - ie, it doesnt take much to light it off.
why it can blow shit up (though this is EXTREMELY unlikely unless u r dumb enough (ah...natual selection) to spray 3 cans down it simultaneously or something like that - basically, one huge instance of severe detonation.
as for wiping down the cyl walls, no way - they start pretty dry anyhow.
agree with all - if u need it, somethings wrong.

 

[myclone]

my 02.. :grin:

Ether isnt "bad" stuff if used correctly. Should you have to use it on a FI eng? Nope, unless the battery is so weak the eng is just barely cranking. Just means you need a good battery (ummmm... wallyworld, you readin this?? :razz: )

Too much ether can wash down the cyl walls but you really have to hose the eng full of it. If youre using that much to get an eng started then youre a moron and need to catch yourself on fire (BTDT... ) or there are probs with the battery/starter/fuel system/ignition.

Plus its great for killing bees that get in the garage, getting mice high that crawl into some old pipe thats lying around, or making propellant for a "spud gun"..

Side note: If you use ether as a propellant for a spud gun then PLEASE use metal pipe not PVC. If you use PVC then your spud gun becomes a spud grenade. BTDT too...

 

[blow]

myclone, im using scheduld 40 for 6 years on my spud gun with no problems.

Side note: If you use ether as a propellant for a spud gun then PLEASE use metal pipe not PVC. If you use PVC then your spud gun becomes a spud grenade. BTDT too...

 

[ROSEDOGGYDOG]

Well it was the fuel pump, had no problems starting up this morning, so no need for any types of starting fluids.

Like I said earlier, THANK GOD for extended warranty's! Only cost me $50, when it could have cost me $355 and some change...

Still would like to know what a McCoy motor is.

 

[JoeLutz]

McCoy's is a speedshop that builds performance engines for SyTy.