Re: Bin Request
turbodig said:
Spoken like someone who has absolutely no clue how much work goes into developing a decent cal for a given set of injectors. Or, for that matter, how much work went into developing the original 3bar calibration (didn't just come out of the blue, ya know). Or, wide-band enabled chips.
I really don't blame anyone who has countless hours into working out the details of a good calibration for not wanting to send it to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Hell, that happened enough as it is.
I've been told "you're nuts" a few times for what we're attempting to do with $59. They're probably right.
Apologies in advance to all, this is gonna be a little long so grab a cold one because I want to be sure that there is no misunderstanding here.
No offence Dig and I don't want to get anything going here but I have to disagree and say spoken like someone who doesn’t understand the point of our conversation. Unless you are 50 plus years old, I most likely was doing multi power adder tunes (boost, NOS, exotic fuels, real weird combos, pylon racing aircraft like P-51’s, blown fuel Harley drag bikes and offshore boats etc.) with carb'd, manual and some of the first early electronic F.I. both O.E.M. and aftermarket when you were still in middle school. I have pulled out my hair, drank my self silly, kicked my dog and threatened to burn cars, boats, bikes and planes (mine and customers alike) do to problems and issues of tuning engine build combos. I think anyone who has tuned in a serious manor has at one point.
I am quite well aware of absolutely every clue of how much work goes into any kind of a performance tune and have made more than my fair share of money from doing it and still do for the mainstream in demand items and weirdo requests that require a lot of time and serious professional effort. I also will be the first to admit that I am not real versed with the GM Turbo ECM and strategies related to it because for some reason we just never had a customer venture through our door requesting it and like any good professional won't tackle something I don't feel confident about and just muck it up. Also as a good professional I realize that folks need to eat and if this is your bread and butter, don't ask for the bread and expect the butter for free. This is why I contacted you and offered to pay you for your time and services several months ago to cut some of the time required to get my project going smoothly.
You politely declined and told me you were real busy and not taking any more tunes / projects at that time in your PM to me and I respect that, I mean really respect that! After several other calls, my weird build in general and waiting for months on head problems, I have decided that the build is on hold until $59 shows me that it will be able to do what I need or work with Nolan. But for my other Ty.... as usual it looks as though I am left to my own devices and or sharing info with others that would like to share also. I do quite well, all too well understand what is involved and have literally spent years tuning some "pet projects". I also don't charge for tunes any more that are years and years old or out of the main stream (like the Cross Fire Vette or Seca Turbo) since I don't have to burn chips, mail disks or actually spend time etc. anymore (you can call me nuts for that). I can just e-mail it and all it cost me is 30 seconds of time to help a guy out, with the provision that the fellow getting it understands that it is “good will” with no support involved and this base tune will likely get him started and then he is on his own from there. If it’s a old but still off the wall / weird build and the owner wants actual support and hair pulling time spent, then he is now a customer because I will charge for it. The old base / light mod stuff is free to anyone with a e-mail address as far as I am concerned for those.
I am addressing the fact that I may not want $59 until it is "fully available" and most of the functions are a little more mainstream, everyone involved keeps saying it's still changing (a lot) / your adding to it etc. I don’t want to place myself in a position to bother you guys with tuning questions that may or may not be considered “base” questions until you are really ready for it as Paul mentioned. Jeff offered to let me start beta testing several months ago and I purchased all he recommended from Craig including the NVRAM board that Jeff said would be supported later but not at that time. I am ready, but my build is just to off the wall and I know that so I decided to wait. Fine, no problem and I DO UNDERSTAND that $59 IS something new, not a stock 50# bin that's 10 years old and being treated like an industrial secrete. That’s all nothing more? In the mean time, I have picked up several Ty’s and one is bone stock. It will get 50’s, cold air, bolt on ex. and an a I.C. upgrade with a little extra boost only, because it’s low miles and almost mint. This truck is “real old hat” and will never see $59 or any other mod but I am having a hard time finding a bin for it to start with…… see my point?
I also understand that this project is goodwill and you fellows are donating your total efforts free gratis. Along with that I understand the caution / time / level of support involved (for free!) and not only don’t have a problem with it, I applaud it! I think that what is / may be accomplished with $59 is one of the single best things that could happen for anyone that can use it. So please don’t misunderstand what I have posted / commented on in this thread other than exactly as stated, a place here on our site for tune info and files and a little less tighter grip on the “old plain Jane” dated info and file stuff. For those that would like to do some tuning now, but don't quite as of yet fit the mould for the "limited release" of $59, or those that wish to stay with $58 and never switch, it may help us.
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James
