60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

ABS does suck ass. Even when it works. I guess I would consider myself to be kind of "raw" and dont like the feel of ABS at all. If you are a good driver with skill you dont need the crap. I tossed mine and was thoroughly thrilled about it and still am. Definately one of my smarter moves. Ive slammed on my brakes at about 40 and coud never get my tires to skid w/o or with ABS. What does that mean? I stop just fine though and can hold 15 psi at the light.

 

[sytyguy]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

Jeremy, was this with my kit? Just curious.

I wonder if there is a difference in performance (minimal if any, I'm sure) in between my kit (with more direct, shorter lines) and a "patched" stock coil line setup (with less direct, longer lines). If anyone has "patched" stock coil lines and wants to do some brake testing (like Jeremy did), I'll give them one of my kits for free to see the difference between the two setups on that particular truck.

Not that I actually expect anyone to go ripping out lines and swapping kits on my behalf.

Hood

 

[SyTyJedi]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

You may refuse to drive in the rain or on wet surfaces, but you may not have a choice someday. I would be interested to see a before and after test on a wet surface and also with driving around an obstacle, for any vehice, not necessarily a SyTy.

Would it be possible to swap the ABS unit from a newer GM car or truck? I don't know what goes into ABS systems or what might need to be reprogrammed, just wondering if it's feasible and time effecient.

 

[JSM]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

Jeremy, was this with my kit? Just curious.

Yes it was.

 

[mattw]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

ABS does suck ass. Even when it works. I guess I would consider myself to be kind of "raw" and dont like the feel of ABS at all. If you are a good driver with skill you dont need the crap. I tossed mine and was thoroughly thrilled about it and still am. Definately one of my smarter moves. Ive slammed on my brakes at about 40 and coud never get my tires to skid w/o or with ABS. What does that mean? I stop just fine though and can hold 15 psi at the light.

I agree.. However, ABS systems in newer vehicles have a much better feel than the old POS systems in our trucks..

I highly doubt that our ABS system improves stopping distance in any sort of condition..


-Matt

 

[SEL777]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

I can't wait to delete mine and bash the F out of it with a sledge hammer.
Thanx for taking the time to take measurements, tho.[/QUOTE]

Hilarious!

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

The stock ABS does suck, but it sucks even worse w/o ABS and the Baer disc brake conversion. The rears lock up prematurely causing the rear to come out.

My opinion is for a street driven Sy/Ty DO NOT delete the ABS w/ rear disc brake conversions unless you want to venture into the world of brake bias adjustment trial and error.

I wonder if we could use just the rear section of the ABS for disc brakes and physically bypass the front lines?

 

[Jer]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

I wonder if we could use just the rear section of the ABS for disc brakes and physically bypass the front lines?

Not sure how one could go about this but I would be interested.

 

[blk00z28]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

You may refuse to drive in the rain or on wet surfaces, but you may not have a choice someday. I would be interested to see a before and after test on a wet surface and also with driving around an obstacle, for any vehice, not necessarily a SyTy.

Would it be possible to swap the ABS unit from a newer GM car or truck? I don't know what goes into ABS systems or what might need to be reprogrammed, just wondering if it's feasible and time effecient.

See thats what I'm saying. I wanna see the wet road test before anything.

I think the newer style ABS has been talked about, cant remember what the answer was, but I wanna say it wont fit. :dunno:

 

[NecroWolf]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

if you're worried about locking up the rear brakes w/ the disc conversion before the front just buy a manual proportioning valve and sort it out, not a big deal.

 

[cheatham2492]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

How many of you guys have deleted the abs and used a proportioning valve with the stock system? I asume the master cylinder acts normaly to the rear stock brakes. Any body ungraded to a full size truck unit? Do you guys bend your own lines and couple them. I assume you have to totaly remove the ABS right?
Cheatie

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

When I did mine, I just puled the ABS unit out and cut the lines to fit a "t" and double flared them. It was a piece of cake. The back one I believe didnt need any adapters but I could be mistaken. I could go lok if you need me to. The worst part about the whole project for me was getting the right fittings driving back and fourth to NAPA.

 

[turbodog]

Re: 60-0 Braking ABS VS ABS Delete

I posted this in another thread. I It is what finally convinced me to ditch my ABS:

I installed LS1 rear discs recently, and in the process damaged my right rear ABS sensor. So, I've been driving it with the 'anti-lock' light lit and no ABS until I can get around to installing a replacement sensor (actually a late-model sensor, which is much smaller... but that's another story, ur, thread). I bought Mikes kit just in case my replacement ABS sensor idea doesn't pan out.

On my way to work, I'm pulling up behind a car at a redlight when the abs starts pulsing the brake pedal, I glance down and the 'anti lock' light is OFF, and our wonderful ABS is about to cause me to rear-end this unsuspecting person in front of me! Just in the nick of time, the 'anti-lock' light comes ON, the pulsing stops, and normal braking restored in time for me to stop short of a collision.

Apparently my ABS started getting just enough signal from the damaged sensor to try and operate, but the signal was weak or intermittent so it also decided to engage the ABS.

I can't think of a better demostration of how ineffective our (or at least MY) ABS is. I was on dry, smooth pavement, and the instant the ABS kicked on I could feel the deceleration forces drop dramatically. The ABS turned a routine stop into a heart-stopper.

If you want rear wheel ABS only, the best bet is to put in a RWAL system from a regular '92-'93 Blazer or '91 S-10. The 4WAL system won't work unless it gets signals from all 4 (or 3 for '93 Ty) sensors.

Late model ABS won't work in our trucks unless you go to the newer electronic transfer case (as in ~'95 and up Bravada or Astro AWD). These cases disengage during ABS braking so that the independant pulsing of the front and rear brakes won't damage the drivetrain.

I plan to test wet pavement braking balance when I get the F-body front brakes installed.... I expect I'll want/need a proportioning valve, though.

I agree that our ABS might help retain some maneuverability in a wet pavement emergency (retaining maneuverability what ABS is for.... it is NOT intended to provide short stopping distances), but I feel it reduces stopping power way to much in dry pavement or washboard surface situations. In the end, it's a personal choice.