New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

NOJIMMY

New member
Changed to 1,000 feet vs 1,320

GLENDORA, Calif. -- As the investigation continues into the tragic accident that took the life of driver Scott Kalitta, NHRA announced today that beginning at the Mopar Mile High Nationals in Denver, Colorado, both the Top Fuel and Funny Car classes will race to 1,000 feet instead of the traditional 1,320 feet or one-quarter mile. This is an interim step that is being taken while NHRA continues to analyze and determine whether changes should be made to build upon the sport's long standing safety record, given the inherent risks and ever-present dangers associated with the sport.
This interim change was made by NHRA in collaboration with professional race teams. NHRA believes that racing the Top Fuel and Funny Car classes to 1,000 feet will allow NHRA and the racing community time to evaluate, analyze and implement potential changes based on the safety initiatives outlined last week.

With the change, fans will still be able to enjoy the sights, sounds and thrill of NHRA nitro racing with speeds around 300 mph and quick elapsed times to 1,000 feet.

Over the years, NHRA has implemented many initiatives to enhance safety including measures to limit speeds from increasing, personal protective gear, vehicle improvements, and track enhancements such as sand traps, catch nets and concrete barriers the entire length of the drag strip.

In the wake of the tragic series of events that took Kalitta's life, the following technical issues are currently under investigation: 1) what might be done to reduce engine failures; 2) parachute mounting techniques and materials as well as identifying a parachute material that could be more fire resistant; 3) exploring whether there is a way to increase brake efficiency when cars lose downforce due to the loss of the body; 4) analyzing additional methods that might be developed at the top end of the race track to help arrest runaway vehicles; 5) considering whether current speeds should be further limited or reduced to potentially improve safety.

"The board members of the Professional Racers Owners Organization (PRO) wholeheartedly and unanimously support this decision," said its president Kenny Bernstein. "We want to thank NHRA for listening to our input and suggestions to incorporate these changes. It is not lost on any of us that this constitutes a change in our history of running a quarter-mile, but it's the most immediate adjustment we can make in the interest of safety which is foremost on everyone's mind. This may be a temporary change and we recognize it is not the total answer. We will continue to work hand in hand with NHRA to evaluate other methods of making Top Fuel and Funny Car competition safer so that we might return to our quarter-mile racing standard. We also want to thank Connie Kalitta for his invaluable input. He has been a rock through these difficult times."
 

MikeRenz

not stock
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

kinda extreme in my opinion. How about we remove concrete walls that are perpindicular to track ends in the event of a no-brake situation. How about we add runaway gravel pits similar to runaway truck ramps on the freeways. How about we add a tow/hook/line to the end of track similar to aircraft carriers.

There are plenty of ways to make the sport "safer' in the event of a fire/no brake/no chute. Nothing is going to be failsafe. Cutting the distance to 1000ft makes every record out there unbeatable which hurts the sport imo.
 

turbodig

Active member
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

I'm not sure how you "reduce engine failures"... unless it's not burning nitro.
It's essentially a bomb with pistons.

It's tragic about Scott's death, but I think you have to leave the mark at the 1320... otherwise you risk throwing the whole history of the sport out the door.

A better solution is to mandate the tracks that want to have Top Fuel/FC events have much longer shutdowns, mandatory sand pits, and some sort of an elasta-barrier at the end.
This will limit the numbers of places you can run, and the track owners will need to pony up to play.

The cars can have better fire protection and containment (a fire-container around the motor),
and possibly a remote clutch disconnect that can be tripped after the finish line.

I'd rather see a nitro reduction or elimination (But then you're TAD) than change the 1320.

There will still be fatal accidents at this level of racing, and lower levels as well, no matter what safety precautions you take.
 

NOJIMMY

New member
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

MikeRenz said:
kinda extreme in my opinion. How about we remove concrete walls that are perpindicular to track ends in the event of a no-brake situation. How about we add runaway gravel pits similar to runaway truck ramps on the freeways. How about we add a tow/hook/line to the end of track similar to aircraft carriers.

There are plenty of ways to make the sport "safer' in the event of a fire/no brake/no chute. Nothing is going to be failsafe. Cutting the distance to 1000ft makes every record out there unbeatable which hurts the sport imo.

...I find myself having mixed feelings about cutting off 320 feet for safety issues:

AGAINST:
1. NHRA seems "cheap" when called to enforce, enact, and promote its sport.
Look at NASCAR tracks, NASCAR car testing, and NASCAR equipment innovation. But the tons
of NHRA track facilities seem to be aging, and diminishing/closing due to noise pollution, population,
and insurance liabilities. This seems like a slow painful self-promoted mutilation.
2. Apparently Funny/Top Fuel Cars rarely make one complete run without blowing an engine
(and wanting to send its drivers into a wall). Lengthening a 1320 foot strip to
include safety barriers, shut down lanes, slower pavement etc seems more relevant
than chopping off 320 feet. Even Colorado has 'truck runaway lanes' for issues.
3. I have a hard enough time with "metric" conversion so is this paving the path
for 1000 meters racing (1 kilometer) or some "international equivalence".
I still find myself converting 4.3 liters into 262 cubic inches.

FOR:
4. However to attendees, many sit at the starting line bleachers (versus the end
of the track) so probably wont notice any difference (if you dont count the mph/times).
5. Looks like most/all racers agreed to these changes (so maybe they were really needed).
6 NASCAR handles "speed issues" by changing the rules (ie adaptor plates,
less use of car differences between sponsors, etc). At least NHRA doesnt
promote a "universal engine" for each of its many classes by one major supplier
like other automotive racing organizations.
7. Records will change and be broken regardless of the 320 foot difference.

So, can I envision a time where there might be only 1/8 mile racing. Yep.
Will the cost for engines, parts, gas/racing-fuel/nitrous mandate restrictions. Yep
If NHRA tracks went hi-tech, would ticket prices/entrance fees soar. Yep
Thus Im on the fence of whether this is a major issue, impacting for the sport, or a temporary blip.

-Larry
 

Ty 1885

Member
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

This sounds just like the goverment! Never forsee a problem and when something like this happens, dont fix it just look like you did, till next time.
 

GarnetTy1473

Donating Member
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I thought all the tracks that have National events had sand traps. I could be wrong. Actually, now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing one at Route 66. That shut down is really really really really long too, but without brakes or a chute at 250mph, not nearly long enough. Duncan can probably chime in, he's been to a lot more tracks than I have. Some teams have already implemented a device where if the burst panel comes out from a backfire or explosion, it automatically deploys the chutes. Good step in the right direction. Much quicker than having to pull the chutes manually.
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

There is allot happening in that last 320' (or less). Just watch the Photo Finish Cam. I hope this is a temporary situation, as mentioned. I'm also wondering how they're gonna handle the ET and speed record situation. Give everyone a asterisk? Like Mike and others have said there's lots of other ways. Lets hope they implemented.
 

Norm

Donating Member
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How the hell does that make the sport any better? Look at 6 or 7 of the circuit tracks and there's harly any room for safety. I'm sure digs been to Brainerd and the track has a huge shutdown aread(proably land a 767 ther). Then look at Pomona and there's no room there. I think that is a bad choice for nhra to make. It's a sport that involves risk and no form of sports would want to loose a comptitor from it. Too bad somebody has to die before they do a kneejerk reaction.
 

dalwine250

Donating Member
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i dont like this at all.the main reason for the engine failures are the mandated rev-limiters.nhra imposed the rev limiters to slow em down.with a limit on gearing and revs when a nitro motor is strung out on the big end and full of fuel you take spark away intermitily.....BANG ! i feel limiting blower size would be better.if they cant breath ,its hard to make power.i'm not for restictor plate racing but it seem like a more logical cure to me.
 

T-Bone

Active member
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The ONLY benefit I see of shortening the distance at the end of the track is that a driver in trouble might live an extra second or two. I doubt 320 feet would have resulted in anything different for Scott Kalitta.

I love the idea of a tow hook concept at the end of the track (not the end of the 1/4 mile) just in case something like this occurs again.
 

ViciousV6

400HP/550FTLB
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Problem with E-Town is if you go another 100feet you are in the local roadway. Maybe we should turn the track around and race at the tower. More distance to shut down that way. Kinda how atco raceway is.

E-Town has a sand shut-down area but if you going 250mph sand will not stop you. In this case the sand acted as a ramp and launched the car into the Crane lift machine for camera men over the track.

Of course why would that machine be at the end of the track for a head on collision ????

They need to restrict the power just like Nascar, otherwise the teams will just keep going for more and more power. Technology is here to keep making more power.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.ad...3:40.329279:-74.352931:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

Aerial picture of the track, notice road, but if you click and rag to the start line you can see how much room into the woods the cars would have to shut down.

Ralph
 

cdezzz

Active member
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

I think alot of the safety issues with the big end of the track have to do alot of when the tracks were built. Most NHRA tracks were built when 200mph was way fast and 300mph really even a consideration. I think one of the best safety improvements that could be made is to make the shut down area longer.
 

Ty 1885

Member
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

This is from NHRA;

After an extensive investigation and millions of dollars, we found that Scott Kalitta did not stop his vehicle in the space provided, there by damaging our wall!
New rules are as follows;
All Topfuel/Topalcohol will race to 1000 foot mark.
The walls at the end of the shutdown area will be moved 320 feet towards the starting line, this will make sure that the vehicles stop.
All entry fees will increase by 50 percent to help pay for the investigation.

Thank you. Drive safely..

Geoge W. Bush view;

My fellow Americans,this tragedy proves that these vehicles are WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRATION
There for, I ordered the secretary of defence to invade NASCAR!
This will be payed by stealing there oil and selling it to the American people for ten times what its worth. OPss

And finally my view;
As i quote from a famous speech, " TAKE DOWN THIS WALL"
thank you. TY 1885
 

Six-is-Enough

Use to do a little Boost
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

GarnetTy1473 said:
I thought all the tracks that have National events had sand traps. I could be wrong. Actually, now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing one at Route 66. That shut down is really really really really long too, but without brakes or a chute at 250mph, not nearly long enough. Duncan can probably chime in, he's been to a lot more tracks than I have. Some teams have already implemented a device where if the burst panel comes out from a backfire or explosion, it automatically deploys the chutes. Good step in the right direction. Much quicker than having to pull the chutes manually.

I haven't been to all the tracks, but I can tell you that Pomona is short. Plus it is DOWNHILL!
 

Six-is-Enough

Use to do a little Boost
Re: New 1/4 mile Top Fuel and Funny Car distances

cdezzz said:
I think alot of the safety issues with the big end of the track have to do alot of when the tracks were built. Most NHRA tracks were built when 200mph was way fast and 300mph really even a consideration. I think one of the best safety improvements that could be made is to make the shut down area longer.

Exactly right! But in most cases the tracks can not make thier shutdowns any longer. So we have 1000' Nitro cars until next year. Then NHRA will make changes to slow down the cars. Slowing them has been LONG over due.

I read where that on a 330 mph( Avg speed over the last 66') runs the cars are registering on thier wheel sensors 345 mph!

The tires can't take it either. They will run 280-300 mph tops next year.;)
 

turbodig

Active member
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Six-is-Enough said:
Exactly right! But in most cases the tracks can not make thier shutdowns any longer.

And there's some venues that should lose an event because of that. That is, if they're more concerned with safety, than politics or revenue. Larry might be right with the 1/8 mile thing...
I have a feeling that would significantly diminish the sport.

I agree, they'll figure out a way to slow 'em down. "car of tomorrow".
Problem is, they have a 1000 HP to spare already.

Maybe kill 2 birds with one stone... only allow them 2 motors per event. Pistons, sleeves, heads, the whole deal. Make 'em last, or pack it up.
 

Aeroking

e.i.
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like mentioned on page 1, sounds like they took the cheapest solution and ran with it. Tisk Tisk on NHRA.

I believe there's no one to blame for the accident. The drivers are the real (lack of a better phrase) driving force in the safety. NHRA hasnt really made any large strides in safety as NASCAR has.


Might as well say, Talladega is too dangerous. Lets cut the distance from 500 miles, down to 400 miles to improve safety.
 

GarnetTy1473

Donating Member
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I have pictures of Scotts car sitting at the end of the track after he was cut out of the car. Not the best pictures. Looks like they were taken by a spectator at the end of the track. All I can say is WOW. Nothing left to it. What frame is there, is all twisted. I feel bad about posting them though, but might. After looking at the chart Jeremy posted, there are several tracks that just need to be taken off the schedule. Look at Norwalk, OH. Short shutdown, with no gravel trap. And Kent, WA. Short shutdown, no gravel trap, and nothing to extend it to. I do 170mph in the 1/4, and I use all of the shutdown at ORP. It's not the longest, but it's also far from being the shortest. I don't use a chute, nor have I ever, so I don't know how much that would help me. But at twice my speed, I would find it hard to shut down at almost all of these tracks.
 

JSM

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I have heard talk at kent of moving the start line to finish, but that was probably all rumor also. When I lived there the track was on a long term lease and not updated at all. Once the lease expired the owners came back in and have put some money back into the track, changed the name back to Pacific Raceways -vs Seattle International Raceway. But with these recent events I suspect a lot of tracks will be looking at what should and could be done. If not then someone is just not paying attention and learing.
 
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