Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

dutchty

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

Donno yet

The Ty has to be on the lift untill I'm ready on the front so height.clearance ???
maybe later on I can check the clearance

GMPartsGuy said:
Sorry for the u-bolts comment, I didn't realize you had some bars to put on still.
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The bump stops that they were riding on in the beginning were the factory ones, they even had the original GM part number on them. I'll bring the Ty in to work tomorrow and put it up on the alignment rack so I can take some pics of the suspension for you. I also thought it kind of strange that it would be so close to the factory stops at stock ride height.

How much clearance do you have between the sway bar and the springs with the truck resting on the ground? From your pic, it looks like I have about the same amount with the axle hanging.
 

James Thomas

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

I'm thinking of ging with the Flex-A-Form bars on my Ty also, please keep us posted on your progress and what you think of them!

Thanks,

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James
 
Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

Well, here's the pic. As you can see, there's less than the height of a dime of travel left. The jounce bumper is not quite 1-3/4" tall. The stock bumpers are not quite 2-1/2" tall. There's 27-1/2" from the ground to the bottom of the front wheel arch. That's about stock height, right? Or is it?



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dutchty

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

When you take flex -a-form leafs.
I suggest that if you want a comfortable ride take a much lower springrate then I did. cause mine are 255 spring rate , after I asked some people with the flex-a-leafs they recommended that rate, which are way to stiff and if you want some tractionbars to go with it.
I would take the new CBR battle bars.
they have altered battle bars for the flex-a-leaf springs cause they are not the same at the end as normal.
also in thread http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30215&page=3&pp=15&highlight=flex+leaf

Anyone knows some QA1 part# to go with the 2"lowered fiberglass springs???
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James Thomas said:
I'm thinking of ging with the Flex-A-Form bars on my Ty also, please keep us posted on your progress and what you think of them!

Thanks,

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James
 

BoostedSUV

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

I let the rear springs settle for 2 weeks and I wasn't happy with how the truck sat. I paid $24 and purchased 1" drop blocks from auto zone and now the truck sits perfect. It didn't sacrafice the ride at all! Well worth the money for the bilsteins and Beltech drop leafs... truck rides 10x better than it ever has. I also tightened up the play in the steering box and the truck seems to drive straighter and not wonder around as much.
 

James Thomas

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

dutchty said:
When you take flex -a-form leafs.
I suggest that if you want a comfortable ride take a much lower springrate then I did. cause mine are 255 spring rate , after I asked some people with the flex-a-leafs they recommended that rate, which are way to stiff and if you want some tractionbars to go with it.
I would take the new CBR battle bars.
they have altered battle bars for the flex-a-leaf springs cause they are not the same at the end as normal.
also in thread http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30215&page=3&pp=15&highlight=flex+leaf

Anyone knows some QA1 part# to go with the 2"lowered fiberglass springs???
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My Flex-A-Forms are #235 rate. I have not installed this pair yet but I don't like the Battle Bars just for the reason shown in your pic. If you have a flat on the rear, your bar is on the ground! At least the Cal Tracs have a "lowered version" that's a little better.
What about your Flex-A-Form traction bars in the pic you posted above??? Don't like them or what, what the deal with those?

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James
 

dutchty

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

James Thomas said:
My Flex-A-Forms are #235 rate. I have not installed this pair yet but I don't like the Battle Bars just for the reason shown in your pic. If you have a flat on the rear, your bar is on the ground! At least the Cal Tracs have a "lowered version" that's a little better.
What about your Flex-A-Form traction bars in the pic you posted above??? Don't like them or what, what the deal with those?

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James

WELL at least your rims won't be damaged then HAHA.
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But you have a point on that, but in my case I won't have problems because of the 18" wheels.
Also the fact is how lower this sticks under the car the more effective they will be (but off course not practical at all)
The bars Ive got are only bolted onto the U bolts and not at the end, so it still can move a bit forward when the axle rotates.
normaly the bars should turn this rotating force into a forwarding force, so the axle must be held at te same position with the bars, and that is in my opinoin only when its bolted at both ends.
It will help of course to get a much better grip when launching em because it does the same as every bar, it rises your car so, more load is coming on the wheels.

About the flex bars I didnt instal them because I think it will make a hitting noise at the lose end everytime I drive into a hole (YEH,yeh dont drive in a hole I know)
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or when I lounche the car.
Another why I didnt install them is, I can't drive it over the lift, Its just to low with the bars.
The car was also used for daily driving and then I don't need these bars but ordered them anyway at flex .
When the time arrives I will put them under.
 

Peter W.

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

I just lowered my typhoon using the Bell Tech 3" drop leaf springs and also added 1" drop blocks. I noticed a vibration above 50mph to 75mph, didn't want to go faster than that. I noticed that the mechanic didn't install the wedge angle piece from the factory leaf springs to the new Bell tech leaf springs. Do you guys think the vibration is due to a wrong pinion angle and should i install the wedge piece from the factory leaf springs to the new bell techs. Also my truck seems to be wondering all over the road, I figured the lowering would help but its still the same. I have heard that bad torsion bar mounts can cause the car to steer all over the place, is that true. When I first bought the truck there was some squeaking coming from the front especially in reverse. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 

BoostedSUV

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

Peter W. said:
I just lowered my typhoon using the Bell Tech 3" drop leaf springs and also added 1" drop blocks. I noticed a vibration above 50mph to 75mph, didn't want to go faster than that. I noticed that the mechanic didn't install the wedge angle piece from the factory leaf springs to the new Bell tech leaf springs. Do you guys think the vibration is due to a wrong pinion angle and should i install the wedge piece from the factory leaf springs to the new bell techs. Also my truck seems to be wondering all over the road, I figured the lowering would help but its still the same. I have heard that bad torsion bar mounts can cause the car to steer all over the place, is that true. When I first bought the truck there was some squeaking coming from the front especially in reverse. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I didn't use the wedges but I put them off to the side just in case I need them. didn't notice any vibration but I haven't really had it out on the highway since I dropped the extra inch. As far as the wondering, mine does the same thing!! Sooo annoying! I did it before and after lowering the truck. I replaced both torsion bar mounts, tightened steering box play, brand new front suspension components and energy suspension kit, front and rear sway bars and it still wonders. It's better than when I started but the only answer I can get is "all these trucks do that" ....
 

James Thomas

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

BS flag on the twenty yard line. I can take my hands of the wheel at 100 on two of mine (the running two that is) and one of my buddies, if the road is level it won't move. Gotta be something in there somewhere.

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BoostedSUV

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

above 50 mine goes straight but lower speeds and un even roads its all over the place. It wasn't terrible with stock wheels but with the 18x9.5 Z06 wheels its a handful. Search the forums, this is an on going issue with many of our trucks so easy with "BS flag".... I've done the research and I'm not alone with this issue.
 

James Thomas

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

BoostedSUV said:
above 50 mine goes straight but lower speeds and un even roads its all over the place. It wasn't terrible with stock wheels but with the 18x9.5 Z06 wheels its a handful. Search the forums, this is an on going issue with many of our trucks so easy with "BS flag".... I've done the research and I'm not alone with this issue.


No offence ment, what I am saying is that the S-10 S-15 in general does not have this problem / problems if all is correct. I have owned many S10's and driven many many more. In fact from 90' to 95' my fathers company fleet vehicles were all S10's, 4cyl. and V6 both and he owned 18 of them at that time. Lots of warranty issues but none steering related. Also the D.O.T. would not allow the sale of a vehicle with inherent steering related issues without recall.

So, if the truck drives ok with stock wheels and suspension but now has issues with aftermatket wheels, tires, spacers / adapters, front rear or suspension mods etc., then it means that SOMETHING that has been changed is not right. If your bone stock truck has issues then there again, something is worn, serviced at one time and done incorrectly (parts or proceedure) or the vehicle has suffered a accident, hit a curb or big pot hole.... you know what I mean.

These trucks were never designed to run the wheel & tire packages that being used now and even though I have not delved into it, it could just be the these heavier, wider, offset wheel tire combos just go beyond the original design limts of acceptable.... it does happen. Example some bikes can be safley / comfortably riden with 200-230 or wider rear tires, some can not. My Softail Harley with a 250 is no problem, my Dyna with a 230 will scare the shit out of you around a corner faster than 30mph due to frame and suspension geomerty, put the stock rear back on and just like glass. I find on that bike that that Avon rear tires are head and shoulders above any others and I have swapped / worn out 7 different manufactures tires. I also find this to be true in passanger car tires as well.

Little things do make a difference also. One bad tire (even new ones can have a defect), wheel (for shure a lot of these "offshore" cast rims), spacer, brake rotor or even hub / spindle will do it. A lot of these cheap ass aftermarket or even the "value" line brand name replacement parts are total crap.

Good example: We had a customer that wanted these type of parts for a low cost (but cool) repair / upgrade and we refused the job, he was a little pissed because we recommend known good (read more expensive) replacement lines and he left. Three weeks later same customer comes in to us complaing the shop that did the work fubared his ride, had it for another week and said that he must have hit something and knocked the front end out. Two front end alighnments later, shaking / shimming, pulling and wandering all over the palce and no one wants to figure it out so now he's back because he knows we do good work. We tell him we can diagnose it but it's $55 per hour and we work till we find it, sorry but that's the labor rate even if it is "someother shops fault" and of course he knows this since we have done custom work for him in the past and he agrees.

Fast forward, .... after all the usual checks and double checks of alighnment, balance etc. one of my tech's comes in with a big grin on his face and says "you gotta see this". My first thought is a bad wheel since he had new ones to go on the car after the brake work, but they did chekc out ok on the balancer? Nope! His new made in Taiwan cool looking drilled and slotted rotors from E-gay! One rotor flange was so far off that the car was about to vibrate of the lift with the trans in gear and wheels turning at idle (prolly 20 on the speedo, no load).

Moral of the story? Do you have non stock "value line" replacement parts on your car? It may not even be you, could be from a previous owner from who knows how long ago or what they did / used.

Ask Hood, Mike, Waller, Jeff or any one that knows, I'm sure they will be happy to chime in on the "low down" of value line offshore parts :tdown: .

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James
 

BoostedSUV

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Re: Lowered TY rides like sh*t!!!

I'm sure its more of an issue with the wheels and larger width tires. Many of us with corvette/camaro wheels are experiencing similar issues. I was reading a post of few weeks ago about this exact issue and there were a lot of sy/ty owners chiming in with the same problem. I def noticed it more after installing the new wheels and tires. The tires are wide and seem to not ride flat on grooved roads and that causes it to wonder. The truck has been to alignment shops and I've seen the sheets, its not an alignment issue. I guess its a price to pay as it is with everything. Upgrade one thing and it"ll cause a problem with an other. It's controlable so i don't worry about it.
 
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