distributer 180 out, among other things!

bulldog133

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I just my 93 typhoon about 3 weeks ago. it had an engine and tranny rebuild at about 90 thousand miles it now has 104. the guy I got it from said it only needed a boost controller and it would be good to go.
Well I'll just say it was a little more involved than that. Never the less, I was and still am very excited about the potential of this truck. This will be my third turbo vehicle (1st was a 94 civic ex greddy turbo kit) (2nd 91 turbo mr2) so I'm familiar with turbo's. First things I noticed after driving the Ty home was the boost was spiking at like twenty. The engine would stall after coming to a stop sometimes and just didnt have much power when the boost kicked in. I found that the truck had an external wastgate which was teed together with the internal wastegate which ment the two wastegates were fighting over who was going to control the boost resulting in a major spike well I dedicated the line to the external and my boost was down to a steady 10psi. So I took it out the next day for a cruise and trouble struck on my way home started loosing serious power and heard a knock. Ended up bieng a rocker stud pulled out. As I was inspecting this issue I found other problems that probably caused the stud to pull out. the overflow tube from the radiator and the intercooler were teed and had another tube that should have led to an overflow tank but surprise no overflow tank just a hose free floating in the engine compartment. Intercooler was bone dry and the radiator was about half empty. So I think the combo of the non intercooled air causing detenation and the engine running hot allowed the stud to pop out.
Next I decided to do a tune up,fixed a few bad vac lines, I adjusted valve lash, replaced external coil, plugs, plug wires, cap and rotor. noticed the wires were on the old cap 180 out from the way they are supposed to be. so after I replaced everything I tried to put the plug wires in the correct location well got nothing but backfire so I switched the wires 180 around and it runs fine. This brings me to my main question. Its obvious to me that my distributer was intalled 180 out. By changing the plugs around 180 to compinsate for the dist even though the engines runs fine, does this mess with the way the ecu pulls timing under boost conditions or any other negative affect? Has anyone else used or even heard of this method of fixing a 180 out dist?
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Very common to fix 180 out by changing the wires. Common mistake when doing tune up so no problem. As far as knock, ECM detects it via the knock sensor at rear of engine under the dist and by the oil sensor. It is not cylinder specific and pulls timing across the board. Can't remember the ramp time but sounds like you had some real jiggles. Good job on saving the truck!

Have you checked plugs or tranny fluid? Stock boost is 14.7 psi with a 2 bar map. Worth checking your chip as well as the ALDL OBD1 and getting some datalogs made up.

Welcome.
 

blk00z28

Forced to by choice
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Honestly, if you found one rocker stud loose, then you might want to dig a little more into the engine and see if anything else is "loose" before you beat on it to much more. Who did the rebuild on the motor? Do you have a list of what parts they put back in, or just stock replacement parts?

Invest in datamaster and start learning about tuning.
 

bulldog133

New member
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Thanks, thats good to know. I will be getting the datalog setup when I get the money available. And I will take a look to see what chip I have in there. It does already have a wideband O2 with digital gauge. so for now I will keep a close eye on that.

Plugs looked to be in great shape. have not checked tranny fluid yet, will do.
 

bulldog133

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Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

well I did a compression check and got 150 on the cylinder that had the loose stud and after hammering the stud back down and readjusting the rocker everything sounds good. I dont plan on getting on it hard until I work out all the kinks as well as eventually pulling the stud in question and replacing with a screw in stud.
 

bulldog133

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Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

I tried to adjust timing with not much luck. My truck idles great no hesitation after it got warmed up I disconnected the timing wire and aimed my light at the balancer, from the front of the truck looking down the mark on the right of the balancer (painted blue on my truck) was about two inches to the right of 0 deg. and the other mark (which is painted white) was about 3 inches to the left of 0 deg. As I rotate the dist toward the blue mark the engine starts to stumble and even worse when I rotate toward the white mark. But if I leave it close to the middle it runs great.

I have two questions now.

First which color mark on should I use as top dead center? I think its the blue one which would be the one on the right looking from the front of the car

Second is this because of the dist. bieng 180 out and if so is there still a way to adjust timing?
 

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Dist being 180 out will not affect anything as far as setting timing. Your wires compensate the "180 out" by number one being back by the fire wall instead up front towards the intake manifold. Makes no difference as long as the fireing order is correct. Number one wire could be in any position as long as it aligns with the rotor at TDC.

You need to forget the lines and dermine TDC manually. Check that both #1 intake and exhaust valves are loose, take out the #1 spark plug and use a dowel pin to check when the piston reaches the top. Take a look at what line the pointer is at and that's what you use... That's pretty much the simplified method of finding TDC

By the way... When I had my motor done I had a hell of time breaking stuff because of the pressed in rocker studs lifting out of the heads. I pulled the heads off and had them machined for screw in style ones. Any high lift cam or bad detonation will knock those studs up, loosen the rockers and bend push rods... been there done that!
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

You hammered it in?:lol: I personally don't believe a hot motor would pull a stud out. Chances are, this stud will come back out, especially if you hammered it back in. I'd take your heads down and have screw in studs installed in all of them. I mean really, why do it over, and over and over? If it were me, I would want my distributor to go the way it is supposed to go regardless of if it will "work" or not. Might as well just do things right the first time and save yourself the headache. Also, From my experience, if the distributor is 180 out, I doubt you could make it far passed your driveway if anywhere. Good luck, sounds like you've got your hands full with this one.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Def find TDC but the balancer should be the second mark. If it were at 1200 then the other one should be at around 1400. Does that make sense? Sounds like your truck is advanced considerably or poss one cyl out. You need to verify tdc occurs with the marks or you're wasting your time.

X2 re rocker studs. As mentioned, sounds like you got a busy truck :D
 

JSM

Active member
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Hammered in stud will be back out in no time. Not sure its a good idea to convert studs to screw in while they are on the motor either. Just my :2cents:
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

I think your on the right path to fixing your truck, its looks like your methodically going through fix the problems. I always chuckle when I see a truck that needs just a tune (or what looks like a simple fix), it usually the owner giving up because he bolt on a bunch of parts and is in over his head. I agree with other about fixing the studs, you probably don’t want to hear it but pull the heads and have a set of screw in installed. While you have them off, install the distributor properly and check to make sure the grounds connections are on the back of the heads. Your truck probably needs a custom tune as well, read up on code59.
 

Ty 1885

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Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

well I did a compression check and got 150 on the cylinder that had the loose stud and after hammering the stud back down and readjusting the rocker everything sounds good. I dont plan on getting on it hard until I work out all the kinks as well as eventually pulling the stud in question and replacing with a screw in stud.

You need to PIN the studs or it will pull out again. You can buy a kit from Summit. This CAN be done without pulling the heads!
 

bulldog133

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Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Thanks for the advice. I need to go ahead and pull the heads to have the screw ins installed. As well as fixing the dist. Or I could use 94-95 L35 heads. I dont really have the time or money to do the vortec heads yet. Is it worth it, or should I just stick with the stock heads?
 

qbnkiller

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Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

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Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Get it running right first before messing with the heads. Any progress?
 

bulldog133

New member
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

thats what I've been working on I went ahead and turned the distributer the correct way and this did not affect my timing issue. I still cant adjust close to the tdc mark on the balancer or the engine will bog. however I can move the dist. around and get a smooth idle so I'm thinking my balancer must have spun. So today I picked up a piston stop and this weekend I plan on finding true top dead center, and I will go from there. I also picked up a stud puller and the threaded rocker studs (without the hex style flange) so they wont require me to pull the heads and have the stud boss machined.

Also I figured out a little trick. I can hardly fit my finger in the spark plug hole much less turn the engine at the same time. And did not have a buddy handy to help. So I took my compression guage appart which has an air hose style coupling on the side that attaches to the guage. And on the side that goes into the cylinder it has a valve stem needle so I removed that and had a hose that I could screw into the cylinder and feel the air push as I rotated the engine. Worked well.
 

bulldog133

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Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Update;

Fixed distributor so its not 180 out anymore

I used a piston stop to find true top dead center. My balancer definatly slipped. The mark on my balancer was about two or three inches away from true top dead center. So I painted a mark at true TDC

I pulled out the stud and tapped the head for a screw in stud.

Adjusted the rockers while the engine was running (1/2 turn after clicking went away) Does that sound right? If not, how many turns should it be?

ran out of time to finish and test it out, maybe tomorrow
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

I can appreciate your effort but you are only moving backwards if you simply painted a mark on the balancer and are not replacing it. If the balancer has slipped, it is only a matter of time before the whole outer ring comes off. I have had this happen to me twice, once on a year old balancer. Make sure that when you replace your balancer that you use the left hand mark. If I were you I would buy a more quality piece than what sits in the auto stores.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: distributer 180 out, among other things!

Your hot lash adjustment on the rocker sounds good. Half turn is about right. Def listen re the balancer!
 
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